INSIDER vs INSIDER – Coming Soon… (Hopefully)

Think this might just come together.  RI and WHI have been engaged in quite a bit of back and forth of late.  Hoping to get both to do a sit down interview very soon.  RI mentioned this earlier and many of you have been asking if it will actually take place.  While I cannot say for certain, it does appear both are now willing to make the time to do so.  RI was far more accommodating toward this, but WHI now appears ready to go as well after intially refusing, even though I believe the idea originated from them in the first place.  Both individuals are at odds over where the Republican Party, conservatives, America, etc., is to go from here following the kick in the gut that was the 2012 election.  One remains optimistic, the other – not nearly so.  I want this disagreement to play out for anyone interested in following it, as I think it mirrors what so many of us are going through ourselves – myself included.  One day I am ready to fight – the next I am depressed and confused as to how Barack Obama was re-elected for a second term.  The potential for this interview is great – and I very much hope to pull this off.

Unfortunately WSI remains unavailable for such a thing.  Perhaps in the future.  Perhaps not.

Will keep you updated…




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33 Comments to INSIDER vs INSIDER – Coming Soon… (Hopefully)
    • luxuryoption
    • The STOLEN ELECTION OF 2012 MUST BE DISCUSSED. All other issues are secondary to exposing what really happened and how the republican elites [wanna be leftists] were involved.

    • Randall
    • Discuss everything. Talk about everything. Overload those SOBs with more insinuations of scandal than they can even begin to address. Employ diversionary tactics and then go for the jugular.

      Don’t lose heart. The smallest teams are the most effective. Strike, strike quickly, and strike often!

    • SBSpecks
    • I think having the two comment together on things will help prove RI’s credibility, and help those who are diehard WHI believe a bit more…they may be at odds, but the important question is WHY? Is RI naive, or maybe WHI is just burned out and cynical? Who knows…I know I appreciate RI’s optimism personally (not having the long-time experience with WHI myself, unlike many readers), but then too it could be just a proverbial “Ghost in the Closet”….or something…

      Looking forward to it! I know my weekend gets WAAAYYY too long without new updates from you, UM =)

    • rhcrest
    • The North American law Center is filing a criminal complaint concerning the voter fraud. They need help in terms of funding. We have only 7 DAYS to raise the funds to launch the Criminal Complaint. We are prepared to put our lives on the line in filing it, but only if the people are prepared to provide the funding necessary to complete the mission and protect the people involved throughout that process.

      This organization needs big money donors. If you can help with this please do. All sizes of donations are welcomed and thankful for all.

      If members would help contact individuals with better resources, using the info provided, the funds could be raised by only a handful of truly patriotic citizens with extraordinary resources.

      If we do not meet the stated goal for launching the Criminal Complaint, ALL funds will be used to launch other stated initiatives at The North American Law Center and we will fight the battles we have a chance of winning.

      One way or another, we are committed to fighting for freedom and liberty and the future of our once great nation.

      The national contact person on this initiative is Tim Harrington.

    • truthandjustice
    • Latest from Hagmann/Insider: (how about this one to discuss????)

      DH: You told me that you wanted to talk about the lies behind Benghazi, said it is critical for everyone to understand the reason for the lies. and asked that we do this separately. Go ahead.

      II: It’s about the lie, and once you understand it, it becomes extremely revealing. It’s about what the public has been told from the very beginning. Do you realize that a lot of people, especially Obama’s associates and supporters do not believe that they’ve been lied to? Do you understand that much of the public does not believe that they were lied to? Like a lot of us, you’re in this thing so deep that we forget not everyone even believes they’ve been lied to. They’re certainly not going to hear about it in the media.

      They are only lying to the American people. All other governments know what’s going on. And most importantly, the reason they are continuing to lie is to cover up their plans as they are moving forward with their agenda. Everyone must understand how important this is. The Obama plan continues. No one is stopping them or this agenda. And in case you have any questions about what this agenda is, let me explain it clearly and concisely.

      Obama, Clinton, their foreign policy advisors and the people involved in this agenda intend to start a war that will make Afghanistan and Iraq look like a small police action by comparison. They are going to start a war that will likely grow from a regional war to a global war, or WW III. Afghanistan ‘imploded’ when attacked, as did Iraq. Syria will not, it will explode. Do the American people understand this?

      Until now, everyone has been focused on the ‘little lies.’ The security, the misidentification of the CIA compound, the timeline, and on and on. They want us to focus on the little lies so they can pull off the BIG LIE. The big lie being told is that the U.S. is merely providing minimal support, including humanitarian aid to the Syrians so they can defend themselves from Assad. That’s the big lie that covers up what they are really doing in the region.

      The CIA compound in Benghazi was a logistics hub for weapons, but not only weapons from Libya. Weapons ordered by and destined for other countries, like Saudi Arabia, the UAE and other countries, knowing the plan, were allowing the weapons to be diverted, with Libya acting as the central shipping hub. When Assad falls and U.S. troops are called in for ground support, who will they be fighting? The Syrian army? No, they will be fighting the Iranian army, the Russian army and the Chinese army. Why? Because Iran, Russia and China all have a stake in the region. Putin called Syria his red line in the sand, and stated that WW III will start in Syria, not Iran.

      Benghazi is a moving target of little lies that serve as cover for the big lie. Are Americans onboard?

      • Jules
      • “They are going to start a war that will likely grow from a regional war to a global war, or WW III.”

        Very likely. And whose side will Barry be on? Will he side with Russia and Iran against China? Will he side with anybody and everybody who opposes Israel? What tale will they tell us? So many questions.

        Thank you, T&J.

        • NameBM
        • Barry is sunni. Iran is shia. Chicago’s Mulsims (Farrah Khan, Jarret’s family and al.) are sunnis.

          The lines ar starting to be drawn. Iran, Russia, China on one side, US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and all the Muslim Brotherhood countries on the other (most of the ME and Africa).

          China is looking at dominating Africa for its natural ressources and the Muslim brotherhood is in the way.

          Russia has a pipeline at play thru Syria.

          Europe is not the big unknown. It will line up with Russia against the US. Sarkozy who is aiming at another shot at the French Presidency has already recently met with Putin. Cut from the ME oil supplies Europe relies heavily on Russian energy support.

          Taken in such light, you understand why Lagarde has moved to neutralize Europe in bugging it down in financial collapse.

          • Randall
          • Saudi Arabia on the side of Turkey? I really don’t see this.
            The royals made the MB unwelcome in the Kingdom. They’re good buddies with the Bushes, remember? It’s practically Texas there.
            Barry has put himself on the wrong side, yeah, with Pakistan, Qatar, Turkey, and AQ. He’s on the wrong side of Israel and Hezbollah – crazy, right?
            Russia has its own ambitions, and they’re designs for Turkey are not nice. Dominate the global energy market and take over Europe. Good luck with that.
            Look, there’s plenty we need to do to right things and the situation is dire. However, once we actually start taking steps to rectify the situation, it will improve.

    • Montanagal
    • rhcrest:
      I am thankful for people like you that try to step up to the plate to right a wrong. I’ve been there myself. Let me try to explain what will happen with this lawsuit. It will get funded and filed, but not until after Obama is sworn in as our President for a 2nd term. It will feel like you’ve been kicked in the gut because as soon as you think we might be moving forward, some Judge will throw the case out. Yep, that’s what happens every time we try to get justice.

      • rhcrest
      • Thanks Montanagal,

        Just to be clear, i am not part of the organization and don’t want to take credit for something i didn’t do. I forgot to put the quote marks around where i copied. I am just trying to post this info so that perhaps people will help. Thank you for the kind words.

    • Lindandy
    • Totally look forward to this meeting of the minds (RI and WHI). Especially anxious to hear again from WHI… hope (s)he is recuperating form the big disappointment of Obama’s re-election and ready to focus on the next steps. My personal preference is to get Obama removed from office in shame. Benghazi has much to be exposed and I truly hope Obama’s past will also be exposed.

      Note to Whistle Blower: The Illinois PTP is interesting but will it ever go anywhere? I’m hoping you know more that you are revealing.

    • Seen
    • “One remains optimistic, the other – not nearly so. I want this disagreement to play out for anyone interested in following it, as I think it mirrors what so many of us are going through ourselves – myself included. One day I am ready to fight – the next I am depressed and confused as to how Barack Obama was re-elected for a second term.”

      Well, I’m curious of the disagreement, but I don’t need to continue my own method of fighting. Besides, I’ve just about made up my mind on this Neo-Con of a Republican:
      1. Conspiracy Trail only works as a deflection if you’re not actively participating in said conspiracy trail, which effectively nullifies RI from alternative media.
      2. Apparently, Republicans need to focus on its principles first and message a distant second.
      3. Apparently, it’s good for Republicans to allow political opposition to conduct character assassination methods against Republicans. So, I can’t bad mouth McCain and others, but Democrats can charge particularly on racism and sexism with impunity leaving even Republican supporters hanging. Actions speak louder than words, and no matter the message actions dictate the Republicans are the racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, and etc unprincipled Party. Any wonder why Democrats are kicking out tails? The Republican Party’s actions are unprincipled and therefore any message is considered PR rhetoric. Perhaps, Obama won because of Republican principle inconsistency.
      4. Alternative Media readers are looking for a statesman who is principled and will stick to the constitution as an overall guideline and law of the land. Evidently, there are too few Republicans who meet this role, and they would rather claim to be good rulers instead.
      Neo-Cons… If this is the best, they can come up with; they should have just went to new media sites like Media Matters their re-messaging mission would probably possess better results…

    • ebysan
    • @ UM

      Please Remind RI :

      December 11, 2012

      States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors “at least SIX DAYS before the meeting of the Electors on December 17, 2012″. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress. The deadline for resolving any controversies is December 11, 2012.

      If 1/3 of the electric refuse to vote there will not be a enough for a quorum.

      (if 1/3 of the States (17) do NOT cast their electoral college votes – it must have a quorum of two-thirds of the states voting. … of the states” is necessary before the House can begin to vote.)

      All the information about Voter Fraud needs to be presented before the electoral college votes!!

      It is up the RI to get out this information & STOP the ELECTORAL COLLEGE from certifying OBAMA!!

    • truthandjustice
    • Re the fraud issue – just common sense tells you this is of the HIGHEST priority to PREVENT for the upcoming elections – before 2014. Unfortunately I think it’s safe to say this stolen election we had won’t be confirmed. RI has already stated that he thinks it’s ridiculous to think about b/c it can’t be proven. He’s probably right. Most of it that made a difference was in the corrupt software machines that flipped votes.
      You have to prove that – West requested machines be impounded, etc. but was refused. So we have activist judges that will refuse. WHI said he thought it was indeed stolen but he probably agrees it can’t be proven.

      What I want to push is for prevention before 2014. If you don’t have that, the Republic is dead, period. All else is for naught if you can’t have honest elections. We know why this hasn’t been pursued. They want to suppress all talk about this b/c this is one of their biggest fears and dangers and would end their tyranny.
      We need to keep this up and do whatever we can to get this done. Maybe we can’t do much about this last one, but how about the NEXT one? Forget Congress, etc. We the People have to do it somehow. Could a Third Party get it done w/independent ppl? I don’t know anything about this area — can the corrupt software be prevented by another software to not flip them? We either need to not have these electronic machines or guaranteed ways to prevent vote flipping. I vote for not having the machines.

      Once again, we are being manipulated by the media, corrupt Repubs. to think this voting fraud is not that effective – we are to think it’s really not that big of a deal – just get more votes. I disagree. My theory is they have come up with perfected software that wasn’t there in 2010 totally and were caught off guard by the Tea Party. Thus – unprecedented wins except for a few (like Reid). They learned their lessons, perfected it and made sure they were in many more precincts, etc. and was unprecedented – which proved to be successful. Again, too many don’t believe this could be done. I heard Glenn Beck say they had 3 independent companies & FreedomWorks check into it and said the “numbers” weren’t there to validate this happened. So we’re supposed to forget about it as being a non-issue. I perceive more “tricks”. All who believe those companies are naive — and what makes you think the “numbers” put out are true?????? Haven’t we learned how all that is manipulated? And what about FreedomWorks? Are they REALLY who they say they are? Any traitors there that are also good ACTORS.???

      Anyway, as I see it, b/c of the humongous importance of it, whether the election was stolen or not, we need to do something drastic about this – do away with machines or whatever. Just passing voter ID laws, getting more votes isn’t going to do it. “They” have no intention of EVER, EVER losing…..they will do anything and everything, as usual, to stay in power. The Repubs. are complicit to some extent – which is probably a lot.
      Continue fighting patriots !!!!!

      • NameBM
      • Fraud is the core issue. Period.

        All the rest is verbiage and waste of time.

        What the powers in place fail to understand is that just about every republican I am talking to, has no intention to continue the charade. They are going to vote for the local races but for the rest, forget it!

        There is an enormous sense of betrayal from the GOP and most of the Conservative talk shows hosts. Their blattant refusal to even mention the word fraud is repulsive.

        I personnaly think that the test run was for Reid in Nevada. It was the exact same story. Inverted polls, massive votes of the “minorities” at the last minute. Nothing made sense, yet the Reps “made sense” of it by scrutinizing the numbers to “explain” what happened, failing to take into account the saying: Garbage in, garbage out.

        The pattern was set and was implemented and repeated on a much larger scale in 2012.

        The GOP is committing suicide by letting down its members. So be it. We’ll find others to reprensent us.

    • truthandjustice
    • And how about that little bit of news lately about Boehner purging Consvs. from powerful committees? How much more evidence do you need about the GOP folks?????? Excerpts

      “House Speaker John Boehner and GOP leadership have removed several conservative House members from their respective powerful committee positions, Breitbart News has learned.

      Effective next Congress, leadership pulled Kansas Republican Rep. Tim Huelskamp, Michigan Republican Rep. Justin Amash and Arizona Republican Rep. David Schweikert off committees from which they could exert conservative pressure on fiscal matters. Amash and Huelskamp were pulled from the Budget Committee and Schweikert from the Financial Services Committee.

      Huelskamp, a freshman elected during the 2010 tea party wave, thinks the leadership move to pull him from the powerful committee is revenge for him standing up for conservatism. “It is little wonder why Congress has a 16 percent approval rating: Americans send principled representatives to change Washington and get punished in return,” Huelskamp said in a Monday night statement. “The GOP leadership might think they have silenced conservatives, but removing me and others from key committees only confirms our conservative convictions. This is clearly a vindictive move, and a sure sign that the GOP Establishment cannot handle disagreement.”

      My note — it’s not only “cannot handle disagrreement” – it goes further to their extreme positions of hate/contempt/power & greed/threats – that they will go to any corrupt lengths to keep Consvs., proConstitutionalsists from winning elections or holding authoritative positions. COUNT ON IT !!!!!!

    • M. Simon
    • What Republicans don’t get. Elections are won at the margins.

      The eternal question – “What do I have to give way on to gather enough votes to win?”

    • charlotte
    • Ask RI to explain this:

      and here is the best comment I ever read on the GOP weakness:
      “Nancy Gadola Trant says:
      December 4, 2012 at 12:19 am

      I am sick over the reelection of a man who should never have been elected the first time around but am now devastated that a majority of the voting public chose to make that mistake again. Just how much clarification of the facts do these people need to realize this narcissistic, immoral weakling is not the leader America desperately needs? Sure – the “lame stream media” is in the tank for all liberals . . . and they LVE this guy.

      The conservative movement (not including the national GOP) had the wherewithal in terms of manpower, finance and ability to counter it. However, it was too busy dicing up Romney over his religion (“he’s a Mormon you know”) and his wealth (he had to be a crook at some point in time to have ALL that money, e.g., success is “bad”) and he refused to come across like Genghis Khan in the second and third debates. Romney knew he would get screwed to the wall by the liberal media and there would be NO ONE to take his Six. No one. Remember when he was the only one to ask questions after the attack on the embassy in Egypt before the Benghazi slaughter? The media jumped on him and NO ONE – not one GOP, Tea Party or 9/12 leader came to his defense. Obama’s pit bulls said he was interfering with national security and “endangering lives”; and the media picked up the banner from there. Romney did the only smart thing he could do by not engaging Obama on Benghazi in the last debates – but everyone bitched about his decision – and grumbled about his perceived lack of “conservative values”. Did anyone in the conservative movement (if there is one today) come to his defense when the attack dogs in the media shot him down for offering an opinion as to Obama’s feckless foreign policy? Short answer: NO.

      And I am tired. I’m tired of a Republican Party that lacks the will to wage a real campaign. Romney wasn’t my first choice but he turned out to be a good choice – IF he had had a party with real 21st century organization. He didn’t. All the while Romney was fighting his way through the primaries, the national GOP was not doing the precinct work that needed to be done. There was no real voter identification being done; no precinct development, no ground work to counter the voter fraud we all knew would occur. When I heard the national party crow about “making more than 5 times the phone calls they (we) did in 2008″, I knew the election was lost. Their bragging rights to making five times more annoying phone calls than during the McCain campaign was IT? Yup – that was it.

      The Democrats were doing the grunt work necessary to win a big election. Axelrod, et al had done their voter identification work early on (Axelrod had left the White House staff over two years before the election), had identified the key states and had focused down to the precinct level and even beyond – down to the street, and they knew the numbers of votes they had to get (by hook or by crook) to win. They trained precinct workers for every critical precinct within the must-win counties, within the must-win states. They had precinct captains and co-captains equipped with iPads with a fully loaded and actionable registered voter list for those precincts, iPhones and all the other necessary gear to communicate the results of early voting trends, election day turnout and the identity of those voters who had not voted by 5 p.m. on election day. Those potential voters were treated to a personal visit and a ride to the polls in return for their vote. And any deficiencies that may have been a concern were amply taken care of via . . . well, you know the drill. They aren’t even shy about it any more. Why would they be. No one ever does anything about it. (Case in point – Rep. West in Florida)

      Where were the Republican Big Shots after this most recent and obvious election theft? Who knows. Probably at the local country club or university club sipping drinks and nibbling appetizers. And the Tea Party and 9/12 Big Mouths? Giving grandiose speeches about how they aren’t republicans and yet all the while welcoming all democrats into their effort – whatever the hell their “effort” is; then circling the wagons and shooting inward . . . again. It would be a great Keystone Cops flick if not so tragic.

      Now, predictably, we are hearing the numbingly stupid call for a “third party”. Sure, kids – why not dilute the electorate down some more so we can lose some more – assuming we have another shot at an election. Great strategy.

      Elections are won or lost based on the numbers of voters who turn out and vote (mostly) plus those ballots that get stuffed where necessary when the polls aren’t being adequately monitored as the law allows. Duh. This isn’t rocket science – it’s simple math. And it is law, but only law matters if it is enforced.

      Conservative activists have always – even before the days of Barry Goldwater – engaged in cannibalizing their own. No one is ever right on every issue, but the vast majority of conservatives nitpick – to death – the candidate at the top of the ticket . . . and then each other. Most conservative-types are more interested in preaching than in winning elections.

      Just how far our country has to fall before the collective conservative energy can be turned to winning back our country is anyone’s guess . . . but the time for that conversion is growing nigh.

      It could be that we have whined, and grimaced at and with one another for one election too many – and now the wolves are at the door. When the Brown coats in the Jack Boots are dragging the aged, the infirm, the handicapped and all the “non-productive” off to FEMA “camps”, maybe then the conservative movement will find its legs and its guts. I’m not sure the conservative “movement” has any intestinal fortitude for anything other than criticism and pompous rhetoric. If they do, it is sure past time to belly up to the bar.

      The Tea Party and 9/12ers didn’t need the national GOP to win this election; they just didn’t take it all that seriously. After all, they had taken credit for the win in 2010 – and this election was going to be another easy ride. Ah huh . . . Well, shucks, Karl Rove said so . . . and so did all the talking heads on FOX. One after another they came forward and predicted a “huge win” for Romney. Did any one of them look at the GOP ground game? Heck no. But the reality is the national GOP has never had a real ground game except in 1980 and again in 1984 when the conservative movement, quite literally, took over the Republican Party. I know. I was part of it. And it was the conservative movement that engineered a landslide for Ronald Reagan in 1980 and again in 1984. Today Tea Party and 9/12 folks seemed to feel it is beneath them to identify with, become members of and ultimately take over the GOP. The idea behind E Pluribus Unum totally escapes them.

      Lindsey Graham, John McCain, et al, now continue to control the GOP. These guys think the most important discussion now is tying Ambassador Rice to the Benghazi scandal. The scandal they should be addressing, as should we all, is the imminent demise of America’s financial foundations. Graham/McCain will lose the Rice debate and will then sit idly by as we all rocket over the fiscal cliff on January 1st. These morons could have been replaced with men like Sen. Jim DeMint (R)SC and many others as the real representatives and speakers for the GOP/conservative voice of America. But paradoxically, with the loss of the presidency in this last election fiasco, Republicans Graham/McCain maintain their roll as the voice of the GOP. GAG.

      The organizational plans that were to match the ground game of David Axelrod were pathetic. And come 2016, it will probably happen all over again. But before the next presidential election we have another congressional election. Look to see the liberals take control of the House – and then . . . Katy Bar the Door. If you think the first two years of Obama’s first term were bad, you haven’t seen anything yet. Without REAL unified, organized opposition from united conservative voices the 2014 election will be a blood bath and our country will be toast.

      The Chicago Shenanigan Professionals deserved to win this one. This was like watching a University of Michigan vs Ohio State football game. Everyone has their favorite but one team usually and spectacularly out-plays the other. The best team DESERVES to win the game. But this isn’t college sport. This is more akin to blood sport and we just rolled over and accepted the spear. We deserved to lose this election. It’s just that the blood of our kids and grandkids and all the generations to follow does not deserve to be spilled for what we have allowed to come to America. Lady Liberty sobs. This election was not a victory for America – it merely reaffirmed Obama’s announcement after his first election . . . “change has come to America”. Yes, it sadly has. But it need not be a permanent “change”. It can be merely a lesson.

      We have one last chance, but this battle will be all uphill. With humble hearts, an unabashedly loud proclamation of our belief in and commitment to the Biblical principles that founded our country, with our return to God and His Will, we can win freedom for America again. The hedge of protection that was ours for over two centuries has been trampled upon by those amongst us who should never have gained power. It is our American and Christian duty to shun and reject evil at every juncture. We should never tolerate courts that allow the spilling of the blood of our infants, the rejection of our loving God’s name in our public places, the defilement of holy matrimony and the sin of homosexuality as “good” and “normal”; the waging of wars against people with whom we have no quarrel. Good people must demand good deeds from the government. No more political correctness. Our guides are our Constitution and our Bible. Period. Look back. Learn. And then let’s roll!”

      She says it all.

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