“That election was TAKEN from the American people. I don’t care what you have to say on that…I’ve been around you know? I’ve seen a few things you know? And this…this election was STOLEN. STOLEN. STOLEN. I’ll go to my grave knowin’ that… “ -WHI
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So it has been several weeks now since Barack Obama secured a second term as President of the United States by defeating Mitt Romney. Very soon after that defeat, following some two years of dedication toward making Obama a “one and done” president, White House Insider retreated from our regular communications, instead passing me off to another we call Republican Insider, a person whose goal it is to rebuild the Republican Party after years of that political party neglecting its own conservative principles and the desires of its supporters. Following some initial interviews with RI, he indicated he was receiving word back from WHI of their unhappiness with our interviews – that basically, we “weren’t getting it right”, and suggested all of us schedule time to sit down together to have a REAL discussion about the REAL issues now facing America and its people. I quickly agreed. So too did RI. Following the now familiar pattern that is their own often volatile nature, WHI then backed away from the very proposal they had made just days earlier. Then, just as quickly as they had refused, they once again agreed. It is unclear if that sudden agreement came entirely on their own, or at the urging of someone else. Regardless, here now is that conversation between these two individuals, with myself attempting to act (poorly) as moderator – one who remains optimistic that the future of the country can be saved, and the other who is increasingly certain it’s “done and done” – and that generations to follow will likely never know the American promise that has now, according to them, all but been extinguished.
I wish to extend my sincere gratitude to both individuals. This conversation more than lived up to my own expectations even if at times keeping it from descending into outright conflict proved difficult. There are some hard truths here – and certainly much that some readers will not wish to hear. What is certain now is that no easy fix is before us – America is in peril, and the only thing that matters is how we respond to that peril. Do we give up? Or do we continue to fight? -UM
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PART ONE:
UM: Thank you both for meeting here today. Much appreciated.
RI: I want to thank –deleted- for coming up with the idea in the first place! I think this is a great idea…give people the opportunity to really get a taste of the kinds of conversations being had inside the party right now. There’s a lot of talking…a lot of soul-searching. So why not share that in this kind of…forum. So thank you too.
WHI: People are talking huh? Republicans are talking? Well…ain’t that just…soul searching? Really? Is that what it is? That’s what’s goin’ on now huh?
RI: Yes – in many ways, absolutely. There are some new voices finally having a chance to speak up. That’s long overdue.
WHI: What the f-ck are you on about? “New voices”? Really? Didn’t John-boy just push some of those voices off the table? (Note: WHI made this remark a day BEFORE the story came out in the media) He’s kissing the ass of this Obama White House every chance he gets. F-ck him. F-ck you. F-ck your bullsh-t “soul searching” nonsense. Buncha pig sh-t all of it.
(Long Pause)
UM: Ok…that was…not the start I was hoping for here. Perhaps—-
RI: It’s fine! Really! What they are saying is what a lot of people are feeling right now. That’s fine. Say it! I have no problem hearing that right now. Look…ummm…this election was….it was a tough one. Let’s not try and make it out to be better than it is. I get that. I really do. The party…it ran…ummm…ran an ok campaign when it needed to be a great campaign. It picked an ok candidate when it needed to pick….pick a great candidate. And so we lost. The Republican Party is…it’s adrift right now. That’s not necessarily a bad thing…gives us a chance to…people are shaken up. So hopefully that leads to them waking up. And from there…ummm…we can rebuild.
UM: What candidate would have been—-
WHI: —NO. I’m cutting in here. Didn’t come here to listen to him…or listen to you. Came here to speak my mind. That’s what you said you wanted. So he can shut up. You both can shut up and listen. I’ve been doin’ this for longer than…hell of a lot longer than him. I’ve seen good and I’ve seen bad. This last election? It…haven’t seen THAT.
You are talking about we should have done this? Should have done that? F-ck you. And I mean every letter of that son. F-ck YOU. That election was TAKEN from the American people. I don’t care what you have to say on that…I’ve been around you know? I’ve seen a few things you know? And this…this election was STOLEN. STOLEN. STOLEN. I’ll go to my grave knowin’ that… A precinct here. County there. BAM! They got their swing states. The numbers…Election Night…no WAY those numbers lined up. NO F-CKING WAY. So you can try and pour perfume over that pile of sh-t election, but it still smells like sh-t. And there’s a whole lot of us who smell it, and we ain’t all sufferin’ some…some kind of mass hysteria on this one.
UM: (Speaking to RI) So what about that? There is a lot of evidence that at least suggests the possibility Obama stole the election. You agree with that, right?
RI: We keep walking back over this grave and the result will always be the same on this. The truth will stay buried, one way or the other. Could there have been some…theft? Or irregularities? Sure. I’ll say there were, like any election. Certainly any national election. But…the fact remains…the real fact remains…voter turnout was not enough on the Republican side. Obama’s turnout was considerably less in 2012 than 2008 but we still lost. Not because…ummm…not entirely because of possible fraud…but more likely because a whole lot of voters just…either didn’t vote or in the end…they voted for Obama.
(Pause)…Let me say it this way. Now…both of you would agree that ummm…a whole lot of money came into the Romney campaign, right? A whole lot of money from some very powerful people, groups…organizations…right?
(UM nods head – WHI ignores question)
RI: So…if there was actually verifiable election fraud…that could be proven…ummm…don’t you think those kinds of people who had just spent millions and millions of dollars supporting Mitt Romney…don’t you think they’d be working to uncover that kind of fraud? Just a few of them together…they have the resources…the power to make that happen, right? Congressman West…he did a smaller version of that…those counties that you called out very early in the process. (WHI) I have to tip my hat to you there…you called that way before anyone else did. But even then…nothing was proven. West conceded. He lost…just like Mitt Romney lost against Obama.
(Pause) I have to deal with what I have the power to influence. Chasing a conspiracy…whether or not…ummm…maybe votes were miscounted. Stolen. Whatever. I don’t have the power to prove that. Or change that. And the ones who do…who might…they apparently didn’t believe that kind of….ummm…election fraud actually occurred. Or at least not enough of it that it was the deciding factor of this election. And I would agree with them on that…some stolen votes here and there…I just don’t think it was the difference. The real difference was…heck…I just saw a report out that said turnout among white male voters was way down in 2012. Across the board. Now what we need to be doing here…and I certainly have my own thoughts on why that kind of thing happened…what we need to be doing is asking ourselves why that happened. Why didn’t the Republican nominee appeal to more of those voters? What message are we not sending out there to appeal to more people? Do we need a change in leadership inside the party? Things like that – things we can actually control. That’s my focus. If the millionaires and billionaires who invested so much in Mitt Romney don’t think there is enough evidence of election fraud to pursue it…I sure as heck can’t afford to waste any time or resources thinking I can.
WHI: Bullsh-t. People should be…this…it can’t stand. We let it….FINE. Then we don’t deserve this country.
RI: I’m not about to give up because of my own hurt feelings or disappointment…we need to do what we can to salvage this thing…America…for the next generations. I’m not going to pass judgment on whether or not they “deserve it” before they even have had a chance to experience it.
WHI: Next generations? Really? Those pathetic…did you see the numbers on the youth vote for Obama? Give me a f-cking break! All he did was promise a lower interest rate…student loans…some gay marriage bullsh-t…if those assh-les are the future of this country…they can have it.
F-ck them too. Little commie suckin’ –deleted-.
RI: You don’t mean that. That’s your frustration talking.
WHI: DON’T YOU TELL ME WHAT I MEAN. I WILL KICK THE SH-T OUT OF YOU SON. DON’T DOUBT ME ON THAT. I’M SITTING ON THE RAZOR’S EDGE RIGHT NOW AND IF YOU SAY THE WRONG THING, IT AIN’T ME THAT’S GETTIN’ CUT.
UM: Ok…let’s refocus—–
RI: (Puts hand up toward UM) No…hold on. (Turns and faces WHI) …I think you mistake me for someone easily intimidated. I respect your work. Always have. We both know personally…you’ve had your issues, and I think that part of your personality is really debilitating your common sense right now. And you and I both know I’m not the first one to tell you that. So don’t let my respect of what you’ve done in this business…make you think I can be intimidated by you. Don’t stoop to that level, ok? Man up.
…Show some respect. Not for me necessarily, but for yourself. I think I made a mistake in letting –deleted- threaten me last time we spoke. Maybe you think I normally allow or am ok with those kinds of threats. I don’t. I’m not… So I’m asking that you not engage in that kind of behavior. This isn’t about you…it isn’t about us. This is a much bigger picture situation we have going here, right?
WHI: Did you just tell ME to MAN UP?
RI: Ummm…yes…I did.
(Long Pause)
WHI: (Leans into RI) Well ok then…now we’re having a conversation here! Looks like your berries finally dropped boy! Ok…ok…you wanna talk huh?
(Points to UM) You up for this? You ready for this? So we all want to have a…real conversation huh? Well pickle my pecker…let’s go on and do it.
LET’S HAVE US A TALK THEN BOYS…
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PART TWO COMING SOON:
-Did Obama purposely alter the internals being used by the Romney campaign?
-WHI breaks RI open
-How Barack Obama really won 2012
-RI admits and shares his own belief in a globalist conspiracy theory dating back to the election of 1960 – and warns Obama is not the end of the global socialist agenda, but only the gateway for what they fear is coming next unless they are stopped – and that battle now begins with the 2014 election.
-RI lays the blame at the feet of Rockefeller Republicans and WHI and others who spent years working for the globalist Big Government agenda…
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Insider: Yeah boy…right the f-ck through him. He didn’t recognize…my friend…he had been introduced to Obama not more than a day before. He was helping organize the whole fu–ing event there in Denver. He spoke to the president…to the nominee…probably for about ten minutes. And there was nothing odd at that time…Obama seemed like what everybody saw in public. Not what my friend saw go into that room…or what he saw come out of that room. And Barack Obama – my friend was very…he made a point of emphasis there – Barack Obama did not recognize him in the hall. Not a clue. He smiled down at him, shook his hand…kept repeating thank you over and over again…and his eyes were always blinking. Fast. LINK
WHI is a Democrat. He’s a liberal. He curses way too much. He treats others terrible. BUT I LOVE WHITE HOUSE INSIDER!!! At least he speaks the truth unlike all the other political idiots we see and hear all the time. I’m worried about RI. I think WHI might kill him! Loved this interview UM. Good luck trying to keep this one under control though!!!!
No! WHI is not going to kill RI, but WHI is pissed off – to say the least! WHI is what I would label as a John F Kennedy type of Democrat! He’s in his seventies and that Democrat Party of his is DEAD and GONE!
This little RI doesn’t even have the political savvy to see the 2012 elections were stolen, and all you worry about is WHI language? Really? Hey, BHO’s language is nice.
“RI”,,,IS saying election was stolen.He is just saying,,,the theft started a LONG TIME AGO…
Yeah, but he’s smug and snotty about it. And what good does that do us now?
WHI ‘sounds’ like Carville to me.
I totally agree with WHI! The election was certainly stolen in a few swing states…
FLA, VA, OH, CO, PA — possibly PA too!
I was never a math wizard, but managed to master addition and subtraction pretty well in grade school, and I’m really confused. On election day 2012 the U.S. Had a total of 90,682,968 registered voters. However, the total votes cast were 126,985,809. I don’t know about you, but I find that very confusing. That’s 36,302,841 more votes cast than there were regIstered voters. Same thing in 2008 except that the difference was about 35,000,000. So what is the logical conclusion? Rigged machines, fraudulent voters, dead voters? Funny thing, same guy won both elections. So, whatcha think?
Read the article because I’m either a bloomin’ idiot or there’s something VERY wrong here………..AGAIN
http://www.jonchristianryter.com/Two_Cents/2cworth.121126.html
And the “opposition,” that is the “Republicans” are afraid to challenge it.
Jules,
You are correct. The problem as I see it is a total lack of courage – political and moral – among elected officials, judges, and poltical appointees.
Regrettably, that also applies to WHI, who regularly engages in conspiratorial banter, hinting at all those awful things he knows about major political figures and how elections have been won and lost via fraud over a period of years. But, he won’t go on the record, won’t name names, won’t tell the world what he knows and what he did to help bring us to the point where this country is something many of us don’t recognize anymore. I also think it is time for WHI to “man up,” get out of his comfort zone, come out of the shadows and stand up for America – before the clock runs out for him and for the rest of us. He might even make a boatload of money writing a tell-all memoir.
On a previous thread I said I didn’t think it was productive to “marinate in the toxic stew of stolen elections.” I do believe election fraud was committed to keep Obama in office. Sadly, there is no one in the House or Senate right now who has the courage to ask publicly for an investigation. John Boehner could stop the certification by the electoral college, but he won’t. Congressional Republicans could do an end-run around him, but they won’t. To express their displeasure with his lackluster leadership, they could elect someone else as Speaker, but they won’t.
Those who suggest we should all make phone calls and put pressure on our representatives to blow up the electoral college and force the election into the House are missing the point. The decades-long dumbing down of the U.S. electorate has given us a Congress of blow-dried, spray-tanned airheads who have been taught by political consultants to speak only poll-tested phrases and, above all, never piss off the big campaign donors, or party leaders who draw their gerrymandered districts and might recruit primary challengers next time around.
This current crop of elected officials – both Democrats and Republicans – can afford to be indifferent to the concerns expressed by their constituents, probably because they know vote totals can be manipulated to show a pre-determined outcome. Voters have become increasingly irrelevant in this new political world. The only way I see to change the future is to reject those corrupt forces, by sitting out one election cycle altogether (what if they held a vote and nobody showed up??), and/or by starting a completely new political party dedicated to the principles of capitalism, fiscal conservatism, individual liberty and individual responsibility.
If that doesn’t work, we could all try pooling our money and buying an island somewhere…
My vote is for the island idea. And I’m not joking too much. However, even that would be a problem unless you do it now. Reading where “they” are going to heavily tax ppl w/certain amt. of assets if they plan on leaving the country and will work towards making it very difficult (if not impossible) for anyone to leave eventually – trapped !!!!
WEST – yes, I liked that link and posted part of it as a reply to you down-thread & posted it elsewhere. But in the case of FDR, a “just” judge made the ruling – those types now either are complicit or threatened to where they are impotent -we don’t have enough that can make a difference, for whatever reason (some may be being threatened) – note the Obamacare fiasco. THAT should have been another huge warning to us.
“They” would not have attempted this unprecedented takeover unless they knew they had all of these necessary “bases” covered & those that come up to counter them are compromised to where they comply, don’t matter or are removed. I’m thinking those that are still patriotic & want to do the right thing are kept from it by threats, if nothing else works. This is highly successful – you rule & win by threats, bribes, etc. I notice even on this thread that most seem not to think about how they use “threats” so successfully. It’s not that they don’t “want to”, or not have the courage — it’s that they don’t want to risk their loved ones LIVES, or their own. I honestly don’t know what you can do about that particular problem.???? These pro hit ppl cannot be found & proven to have done it. Usually the victims are murdered in such a way as not to be detected as murder (ala Vince Foster and many, many others). What do you do about that?
Publius:
I like your attitude but here is the problem with WHI outing Mao’Bama. WHI is an unknown: we don’t know who he is and even if we did he would NOT be a household name and the MSM would descend on him like a pack of hungry Great Whites.
He would be destroyed in two days, his charges would be buried and forgotten and this is impoortant make it that much harder to expose the fraud!
I should have added “strong national defense” to my list of principles a new political party should espouse, because without that freedom and liberty are not possible. That is where I part company with the Libertarian Party, which seems not to understand that fact.
Marlowe, I am aware of the problem you describe. Courage is sorely lacking in our contemporary politics, and I am suggesting that it’s time WHI stop whispering from the shadows. He clearly has something to say, and he claims to know where political bodies have been buried over the course of several administrations. Too many people like him keep cowering in the dark, waiting for someone else to step up. Of course he’ll be ridiculed, attacked, abandoned by former allies and possibly threatened physically.
WHI and others like him must look in the mirror and decide whether they truly love America. The question they must answer: Is America worth it? If their response is “no,” then they should just shut up and slink back into the netherworld from which they periodically emerge.
And, btw, I’m not so sure that WHI is not a “household name,” at least to those of us who have occasionally toiled in the electoral vineyards of this great country.
If the talk does not turn to Chicago they are both full of sh-t
You would think Benghazi is enough to hang Obama! However, these cowardly Republican leaders (such as Boehner and Issa) are not competent enough to nail Obama!
Kay112
Exposing what has and is happening in Chicago would show the GOP is complicit. Its worse than people realize.
Whistleblower:
You are right “Chicago” is involved in this but the actual voter fraud has a high likelihood of coming from off-shore. What a dream for the Marxists, Socialists and Commies of the world to have a fellow traveler running the USA.
My personal guess is this voter fraud was done by either someone in the Mao’Bama campaign or Russia.
Finally, WHI is back with the straight talk. RI is nothing but a word illusionist. He talks is circles and says nothing but the party memes and bullshit. I quit reading his mumbling, stammering crap after his first appearance. Insight? Not hardly. Love it that WHI is back to set the record straight. RI needs to sit this dance out…this dance and all the future dances. Perhaps a Tea Party Patriot would be more enlightening than an old party yes-man.
@TLG:
AMEN!!!
I like RI a bit. Still not totally sold on them but like that they don’t promise the world to us like they have all the power in the world. WHI, I always am interested in what they have to say but they also like to pretend they are a badass when I don’t think that’s the case otherwise Obama would be packing his bags about now. Great start to what will be a great interview probably. I am glad to hear WHI again. Would love to sit down and talk to this guy. Bet he has a lot of stories about the old days. But also think maybe his time has passed and he’s having a tough time dealing with that? Can’t wait for part 2! Bring it!
Well, that was a very colorful conversation. UM – you did good.
Hey – and we also know that RI is a male person.
Think RI is as we thought in the beginning – very naive.
Think WHI is as we thought in the beginning – right about being STOLEN.
(don’t know what he will say in the next interview, but my “gut” has always been he should know more about this than UM or RI, others not in his position)
Yes, WHI – I, for one agree with you and more than angry. I hope you can persuade as many others as possible.
RI – I agree with one thing — we can’t prove it. Your idealistic optimism sounds like something from back in the past. And..why, may I ask do you believe the numbers that’s put out about how many turned out, exit polls, etc.? All that can be and I’m sure was manipulated — all done to be able to give the GOP EXCUSES to change their platform and be more moderate, cave to Obama, etc.
What seems to be not understood is how things have now changed & corrupted so much that we are now in a whole different era. We did not have the technology or corrupt software for the voting machines to flip votes like we do now. It’s NOT like the minimal fraud in the past – that was done in a different “world”. It’s not only the “old” corrupt ways of ACORN, voter ID, Obama’s evil, deceitful tricks re internal polling, etc. – it’s also and mostly (in my opinion) the new and perfected vote flipping electronic machines —-
Scytl, Sequoia and SOE, the Big Three S’s in vote fraud.. The programs are simply running now casino software making it a payout for the masses in the minority, while the desired party always wins.
My opinion is it was ALL of the above in an unprecedented way. I suspect this stuff was used as trial runs in 2010. The Tea Party caught them off guard also. Think that’s why ppl like Reid won – it wasn’t b/c of the Repub. candidate.
They learned their lessons, perfected the software, combined with the corrupt companies that “count” the votes. Why is this dismissed so quickly by everyone? Is it ignorance? There’s no excuse b/c it’s out there on the internet if one cares to check. This is TOO IMPORTANT to dismiss.
Also, I think RI might be naive about his own fellow Repubs. – ppl who WANTED Romney to lose. Here is a take by a very knowledgeable person:
“Something quite extraordinary has surfaced recently in the way kingmakers select candidates for a future election. Normally, they wait until a couple of years prior to begin promoting the slate they want. This time, it happened a couple of weeks after the recent election. In the past two election cycles, Mitt Romney has thrown a monkey wrench into Kingmaker’s plans by inserting himself into a closed election process that doesn’t like uninvited guests. So, last week the establishment media started their propaganda campaign two years early, listing all the top contenders for the 2016 Republican nomination—and Mitt Romney, with the now highest name recognition and visibility of any candidate, is nowhere to be found.
I predicted just that in the briefs—that the powers that be (PTB) couldn’t stop a Romney candidacy in 2012, but they went all out to make sure he didn’t win, so they could dismiss him as a loser and be rid of him for good.”
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/
Ok – so we can’t prove it. That’s another thing – with electronic fraud, it is near impossible to go back and prove!!!! THAT’s why it works so well. What I want to push is that it happens and it must be of the UTMOST PRIORITY to fix BEFORE 2014. If you don’t acknowledge a problem, it won’t get fixed. We have been duped once again. What we all CAN do is do what we can about that. Maybe have software put in to counter the flipping stuff? The best thing is to not have electronic machines….of course continue efforts getting voter ID, military votes counted, etc.
If we do not have “honest” elections, what good is anything else we do?????!!!!
2014? 2016? ETC. — FORGET IT
If you want to talk about fellow “Republicans” stabbing Romney in the back…
…start with RON PAUL.
Yes, Ron Paul…the GLOBALIST.
It’s time we *really* started doing our homework.
A perfect example and microcosm of how bullying Dems are able to consistently beat and control milquetoast Repubs in the realm of politics …
Additional info on voter fraud:
http://www.marketskeptics.com/2012/01/the-history-of-massive-vote-fraud-in-the-united-states.html
Another re voter fraud:
http://patriotupdate.com/articles/what-is-scytl-why-should-you-be-very-very-concerned
Computer guy testifies what he has done re computer fraud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxGGnmRQAs
Another thought – RI — I agree about how we need to be more “modern” and use the latest technologies, etc. — consider this fairly new corrupt software as ONE of them that now poses an extreme danger and must be reckoned with.
Thank you, UM. Thank you, too, WHI.
RI, are you admitting, ummmm that ummm you and others like you, let’s call them “Congress people” or that quaint old phrase, “representatives of the people,” have absolutely no ummm power?
But then who does I wonder, since “… some very powerful people, groups…organizations…,” who “…if there was actually verifiable election fraud…that could be proven .. those kinds of people who had just spent millions and millions of dollars supporting Mitt Romney… they’d be working to uncover that kind of fraud… Just a few of them together…they have the resources…the power to make that happen…?” They have this power you say, yet they don’t.
So, is it a matter of power or a matter of will?
Are those very powerful people searching their souls do you suppose, or are they searching for safe havens?
p.s. very interesting picture up there too, UM, with Barry behind the 8 ball and all – guess contemplating that can occupy our time till the second installment.
You’ve all missed the boat.
And that includes WHI, RI, and WSI.
It’s not your country anymore. Hasn’t been for a long time.
Any hope of regaining this country and our freedoms through the political process is long gone. It was gone before 2012. All the last election did was confirm to anyone paying attention that it is finished.
Tea Party type protests might have had an effect back in the early 90s but in 2009, they were a joke. Now? Less than a joke.
Politicians want you to believe it can be fixed because they have a vested interest in power through the political process.
It’s sad and pathetic. If people had started paying attention to what’s going on a couple of decades ago we could have gotten somewhere and saved our nation as well as our freedom. The real time to stop the communists was in the 60s. It’s been all downhill ever since. Even Reagan provided only a roadblock to the communist juggernaut but people could even be bothered to call the Media out on their propaganda and lies.
Now, here we are.
We needed a lot more a lot sooner.
GREAT F-CKING INTERVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOVE WHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOW GIVE ME PART 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a stark difference between someone who is willing to fight and someone who doesn’t understand the fight they’re in and are nothing but a lump of platitudes. I wish conservatives had more people like WHI. You wonder why America and conservatives are losing this fight, just listen to RI compared to WHI. WHI brought a knife to the fight and RI is saying “can’t we all get along”. It’s pathetic.
The Republicans are not the answer and neither is waiting till 2014.
If you want to be more depressed, check out this link (which had the quoted paragraph in my first post about Romney). If you haven’t heard of this guy before – Joel Skousen, he really seems knowledgeable about the truths behind the govn’t cover-ups of the past,CIA, FBI and now, etc. Go to the link and then check out the sidebar topics — even the one that says how to analyze the news (tells you why Fox, “Consv.” sites, etc. doesn’t get into the things we want to hear). At least it gives you more info about realities and better judge of what not to believe.
http://worldaffairsbrief.com/
Just a curious question…I saw an interview of Newt Gingrich the other day where he said negotiating is only one avenue the Reps have on the (i don’t believe there is one) “fiscal cliff”. Through allocations, etc. I get the feeling, actually, that with the exception of the handful of true conservatives that we voted into office recently, D’s and R’s want an Agenda 21…anyone else feel the same?
Oh yes, I’ve posted that several times. There’s only a handful (well, I guess most of the Tea Party ppl) that are “real” Consvs. and aren’t corrupt (yet) and are trying to do the right thing. That’s why they’re now at war in the House w/Boehner (see the Breitbart article today – http://www.breitbart.com)
Boehner is really going after them but I’m proud they’re standing up to him. But for doing so, they are being “punished”. (pray for them) What’s up????!!! Boehner is going crazy, if he wasn’t already. Something big is going on with all that. Why??? It’s like they are not worried one bit about their base. Why?
Very troubling……
I have seen it done in my country of origin. Sometimes the right wins by 1% and they give away all the things the left would not dare to ask. And then the left goes back in power and pushes the global agenda further.
They are all in agreement. All the same. They make deals. Who is going to win the elections this time, ect.
It is just a big masaquarade.
Until the coffers are empty, the country on its knees and the population furious.
Boehner is behaving the way he is with the conservatives because he made a deal with the Dems. Bet on it.
He is going to give them the “Richs= Bad People” rethoric in exchange of the certainty that the Tea Party reps and Conservatives are going to meet a well organized and unchallenged flipping votes demise im 2014 ala West.
The real reason everybody who can do something is hidding behind “It cannot be proven” rethoric, is because they use the flipping vote too and want to keep using it in the future.
For some more thoughts google Romney flipping votes primaries….. And you will see a whole lot of info on Tag Romney being part owner of a voting machine company suspected of foul play in some Ohio districts during the primaries.
Now I am suspicious of the dates all these articles have (end of September). It smells talking points to me. Yet if the info is exact, it tells me that Romney knew exactly what was going on, and either did not say anything to protect his son, or got blinsided by the terms of the agreement passed for his election.
I completely agree with WHI. FUCK ALL OF THEM AND THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT. The election was stolen and the republicans in washington are rolling all over themselves to placate the pretender in chief. The election may have been close but I believe it WAS stolen by outright BRAZEN fraud that they didn’t even try to hide this time. I would like to ask John Kasich why he did not have the fraud in Ohio investigated. I would like to know how 140% of voters in one florida county voted. Yes it happens every cycle because let’s face it, the dims couldn’t get elected without fraud. But this time the chicago thug machine moved in and brazenly and openly stole this election. Polls coming out now are saying 59%(or more) of people still don’t want Obamacare. This I believe. Then why would he have been re elected?
I sympathize with WHI as I, too, am just beside myself that nobody will do anything about this. What with Benghazi and gun running being swept under the rug, I just don’t know why we even have republican representation anymore!
What most fail to admit is the ‘republican’ political class wants the same thing as the leftist. That’s why Boehner and Co. DO NOT FIGHT. They are helping to bring about the change wanted by ALL OF THE POLITICAL CLASS.
RI is part of the political class.
There’s no doubt all of D.C. knows it was fraud.So does the media. How else do you explain it when there are 36,302,841 more votes cast than there were registered voters? Read this article and hope that your head doesn’t explode.
http://www.jonchristianryter.com/Two_Cents/2cworth.121126.html
Is John Q. Public really as stupid as he looks?
Or, are the politicians so shrewd they can steal
your liberty and leave you thinking you just voted
in an honest election—which they just stole?
Sorry…the answer is: both of the above.
Let’s put this wordy article in simple terms that Samuel Adams and John Hancock would easily understand. Someone’s trying to steal the country.
What do you do when you are invaded by scallywags and scoundrels? You pay attention to what the Supreme Court said on May 13, 1939 in the case of United States v Miller (307 US 174 [1939]) when they found Franklin D. Roosevelt’s National Firearms Act of 1934 unconstitutional. In their decision, the Supreme Court made it clear that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was not to restrict the rights of people to own firearms, but to protect the people from their government.
The court further said that it was the inherent belief of the Founding Fathers that the people might someday have to fight an oppressive government and, therefore, it was in the best interests of the nation that the people be as well-armed as its government. From the brazen openness of the theft of power in 2008 and 2012, and the media ignoring what is visible to the naked eye, the fear of the Hughes Court in 1939 was that someday soon the American people might have to retake their Republic by force may be coming to pass.
http://www.jonchristianryter.com/Two_Cents/2cworth.121126.html
RI is a wimpy RINO who probably kisses the ground that b. hussein walks on.
I am with WHI wholeheartedly. This election was rife with voter fraud. There were witnesses upon witnesses upon witnesses of that fact. Electronic voting machine manipulation, people being bussed from Illinois to Wisconsin, well over 100% registered voter turnout in some precincts (in states without voter ID, imagine that), interference with military ballots, (by government action in the case of FL, and by government inaction when it ocmes to our military personnel serving overseas). It’s bad enough that liberal pundits are chastising Respublicans, but Republicans blaming themselves with their woulda, shoulda, coulda’s is downright sickening. Why didn’t the Republican establishment file lawsuits? Romney had it in the bag and Obama knew it. He was crying at the last couple of campaign stops before the election; he couldn’t fill an auditorium, he couldn’t garner more than 200 at a college with Stevie Wonder performing! The overwhelming evidence of election fraud, and noone doing anything about it tells me the PsTB want the result to stand. Allen West did all he could. The local election commission could have decided to perform a complete manual recount based on the count irregularities, but they didn’t. The n w o backroom boys must be just a snickerin’ over their successful split of the American populace into groups of liberal “largessee’s,” all of them clamoring for a piece of the Obama pie. They have yet to realize they’re being used. We need someone with factual evidence of the fraud to come forward (although we know to do so will put them in mortal danger like a few other good men we knew), but with 4 weeks gone already, it’s doubtful it will ever happen. WHI, your’re a good man! Thank you for telling RI like it is!
What a load of horse hockey! All this talk about what needs to happen before 2014—SERIOUSLY?? SLOW DOWN. The Electoral College hasn’t met, the election hasn’t been certified yet. Why are we/they not working on that angle? It’s the LAST BEST CHANCE we have to spare this once great country. TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU “Insiders” ARE DOING ABOUT THAT & I’LL LISTEN. Otherwise, we may as well just read The Globe or other gossip rags. It’s NOWHERE NEAR OVER.
Educate yourself & start RESPECTFULLY CONTACTING those who hold the power to influence those who can & should declare Obama ineligible, the election stolen & vote Romney for POTUS. Start here:
LINK: http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/2012-us-presidential-election-electoral-college-electors-us-constitution-federal-election-law-state-election-laws-state-officers-state-election-officials-judges-us-supreme-court-justices-que/
“…The US Constitution clearly gives the states the power
and duties associated with electing a qualified president.
It is also clear that the states have not performed their
duties to ensure that the Electoral College votes will be
for a Qualified candidate. The Electors have a constitutional
duty to perform that supersedes any party contract or state
law. Each day that passes without verification of eligibility
of any candidate being voted for by Electors, brings us closer
to a constitutional crisis. There are pending court cases before
the US Supreme Court and state courts. Congress will meet in
January to count and certify votes and there will certainly be
challenges in Congress. If Congress or the courts shall fail to
do their duty, a Supreme Court Justice will be faced with a
decision to uphold the Constitution. The crisis will increase
in intensity…”
This discussion encapsulates the difference between the demsheviks and the repubics.
And I am not talking about the ideology here.
The demsheviks are street brawlers and the repubics are putzes.
Unfortunately the brawlers are not fighting for the country, and the putzes are not the opposing party…
It’s exactly the other way around.
So, tell me what is the end in this case?
I’ll tell you, because I’ve seen it in my past life.
A totalitarian society, in which individuals and patriots will be crushed.
Even if, excuse me, WHEN we hit the bottom, and America tastes the bitter fruits of communism, the peoples’ psychic will be so badly altered by the experience, as it was in the URSS and other ex-commie countries, the USA will be unrecognizable.
Sadly, you are 100% right.
RI has not livec what we lived. He does not know. He is so naive.
Nambm, as are most Americans. I always love to say that most Americans are walking around with their faces stuck in their iphones and they are in la la land. They suffer from normalcy bias- a belief that because something has always been a certain way that it will always be that way. They think because we have always had peace and prosperity that we always will. They can’t imagine it any other way. When i mention communism to people, they actually laugh. THey are just so freaking naive and have NO idea what is about to hit them just as the Germans had no idea what Hitler was really all about in the beginning. They learned the hard way as will these people.
I’ll gladly opt for crushed, than live under such a system.
I had a taste of this oppression, firsthand, when traveling to W. Berlin from Hamburg, when I was sixteen. The Stasi had no fear of beating the crud out of another passenger on the train–right in front of me. Just before entering the Western sector, I watched as they dragged the poor man off the train.
I refuse to live in a nation where such tyranny is commonplace. We are quickly approaching that here.
I continue to HATE the RI. They are an effeminate little pu$$y; GUTLESS; representative of what’s wrong with the non-conservative GOP. Go back to the progressive leftist where you belong!!
WHI, glad to here from you!! You done good
1) Again, why didn’t people document the voter fraud they said they saw? Why didn’t state election officials get called and investigations started?
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but if we didn’t speak out and call people out when we knowingly saw fraud (which I didn’t see, so there was nothing to speak out about in my case), then how do we prove it in a court? And don’t give me BS about liberal judges. Not all judges are Liberal.
Even though it’s been shown that Al Franken lost the Senate race in MN, he’s been making laws for years and he’s still not being forced out of his seat due to known voter fraud.
So, as much as it pisses people off, RI is right on this one.
I actually loved his question – why aren’t the monied people looking into why their investment failed? Could it be a lot of them were playing both sides – again?
We might be itching for a fight, but we need to be wise about how we proceed.
2) Also, I tend to agree that America was lost decades ago, but too many people were busy with free love and getting high that they couldn’t be bothered to notice.
I get that it will be up to me and my kids to clean up this mess, but it’s kind of hard to be in a fight when you don’t even realize one is going on.
I’ve been involved since the late ’90′s and we’d all ways be wondering where everyone was because we saw what was coming our way. A lot of us were issuing the warnings and sounding the alarm before the ‘Tea Party’ came around. We were told to sit down and shut up during GWB because we didn’t want to go along with his s-t, in the name of ‘compassionate conservatism’.
It’s nice that a lot of people have finally woken up, but this idea that we weren’t out there trying to fight pre-2000 is just revisionist history. We just didn’t get much back-up when we needed it. Mike Pence and some of these folks put up with a lot of s-t from establishment Republicans and managed to remain solid conservatives, despite the lack of the Tea Party. God bless them.
I loved the Tea Party because, finally, I wasn’t the kook in the room and you guys were saying the same things we’d be saying for years. Less government isn’t just a slogan. Spending more money than we have is dumb! Etc…..
However, Tea Party activists are what’s killing the Tea Party. I know people are getting upset and declaring me a RINO, but if we can’t find candidate who appears to the general public as competent to govern and make decisions for all of us, then we deserve to lose.
Governing isn’t just promoting our agenda.
Yeah – I have no doubt that 2012 was stolen, but I can’t prove it. I don’t have evidence. I don’t have the resources to try to prove it. It’s not on my heart to get involved with this particular issue. If someone else wants to take up the cause, then great, but I think we do ourselves a disservice by focusing on something we can’t change and is quickly fading into the past.
However, I’d cut RI some slack because he’s trying to keep the Party from falling apart so we can win elections. We need to focus on the future. I get that anyone who wavers from the Tea Party doctrine these days is a freakin’ RINO, but you know what – we need those RINO’s to vote for us and not the Dems.
I remember when RINO actually meant something, now it’s more about Tea Partiers trying to shame the rest of us into thinking and acting the way you’d like us to. My friends and I joke that we will all have our 15 minutes of being the ‘RINO’. It’s really not the insult that people believe that it is these days.
And just because some of us aren’t 100% in line w/everything that you personally want to see happen doesn’t make anyone a RINO.
We all have dumb ideas that actually shouldn’t become public policy, even me.
You are completely missing the point.
We, the people, will never win an election again!
The Republicans might time to time, according to the deals they make with the Dems/NWO.
But we the People will never have a full voice again.
2014 will see the fraud trickle down to the district levels to purge the Tea Partiers from the House, and probably reversing the majority there.
You are so naive! You still believe you are not an usefull idiot to them.
So I started reading through the comments and had to stop…something a lot of you guys are missing is that RI has a point: Whining, bitching, and moaning about voter fraud is NOT going to change things! We still have Obama in the White House! We STILL have Democrats and Liberals running things, with Agenda 21 being rammed down our throats! WE CAN’T CHANGE THE PAST! We CAN change the future! If the election was stolen, and WHI has hard, solid proof, then he needs to get it out to every single person he can, every media outlet, every country in the world in every language. If not, then he needs to move on, and so do we. Again, there is NOTHING we can do about it! This bickering over it is EXACTLY what those Commie bastards on Capitol Hill want. The truth being satirized among those powerful and willing enough to change reality.
RI is too much politician for me to take him word-for-word, but since I’m not a closed-minded Liberal I see the general IDEA that he is trying to get across, and he is RIGHT! How can everyone here call themselves champions and defenders of Conservative values when they are acting EXACTLY like those they revile?? Anyone have a time machine to change the past? Anyone able to conjure up some kind of Obama-damning evidence that’ll get that black SOB hanged? If so, then you’re as much of a traitor as the rest of the Democrats and Republicans that go along with this agenda for not coming out with it. If not, THEN WHY ARE WE STILL ON ABOUT THAT??? For once, I’m starting to see what Liberals claim to see in the Conservative camp. The Present and Future march on by while we’re focused in the Past. THAT, I believe, is what RI is trying to get across. THAT is the first step to fixing things.
I used to have a manager that always said “Don’t come to me with problems, come with solutions.” If WHI doesn’t have any idea how to solve the problem of the Liberal agenda, then he needs to step back and let someone else take over. He isn’t helping things at all. If he can’t swallow his pride, and MAN THE FUCK UP, then he is doing more harm than good by distracting from what true patriots are trying to accomplish.
WHI: Yeah, I said it too. MAN THE FUCK UP. Bring it. I would LOVE to see your reply to my opinion, whether you think it’s worth shit or not. Defeatist attitudes never amount to anything. You wanna help get Obama out of the White House, then give us something we can go on. No more “Oh, he stole it, it’s over, we’re through and doomed, blah blah…” Yeah, I’ll fight till my dying breath. I’m not giving up. I’m not going to disgrace the sacrifices my friends and family have made for this cause by accepting defeat. Move on.
RI: Enough political crap. I respect your loyalty and belief in the party, but you GOTTA give us something to believe in you. I appreciate your optimism and hope, but there’s too much “politics” in it. Solid data, info from sources, movements the common people can measure, SOMETHING! The American dream dies when Americans cease to fight for it. You gotta give us a reason to fight.
UM: Good on ya mate. You have the most respect from me out of any of these guys. You’re the key man, and you’re the voice. You’ve got a heavy weight on your shoulders, but by golly one can hardly tell by the passion each new post contains. I’m still believing, still reading, because of you. Keep it up, and for God’s sake don’t let WHI and RI kill each other! =) I hope you, if no one else, understand what I’m saying and what I’m trying to bring to light. Validation of ANY kind from you will help your readers keep the faith. We can’t succumb to defeat.
So, tell me where is the evidence in the repubics’ ACTIONS they are fighting for the future?
Don’t drink the kool aid.
As I said, Bush (family) and the rest of the repubic establishment is responsible for Obama and the commies in power now.
Cobra, you are right.
SB, “the past,” as you say, the 2012 election, we’re not talking ancient history here.
As for the Republicans fighting back, ‘where there is a will, there is a way.’
And what, evidently, will they have?
I just noticed a pattern. There are one or two groups that don’t want us to talk about Obama stealing this election.
We have our “libertarian leaning” Republican Insider who has his personal “vision” for the GOP’s ideological future.
We also have a frequent troll who asserts that the Republicans lost because we didn’t approve of his marijuana plantation or whatever. He wants the GOP to veer hard to the left on social issues.
The common denominator in the “nothing to see here” camp seems to be that they’re mostly Libertarians who think the GOP should become more like them.
It’s another Libertarian attempt at hijacking the Republican Party, this time using our 2012 defeat (which they openly worked for, by the way) as a pretense. But in order for it to be a convincing pretense, they need us to ignore the strong case for election fraud.
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PLEASE READ THIS!
THIS IS AMAZINGLY HOPEFUL IF WE USE THE CONSTITUTION!
“HOW TO UN-ELECT OBAMA & LET HOUSE OF REPS PICK THE PRESIDENT”
Source: SW Louisiana Tea Party
“This election does not get decided until Mid-December when the Electoral College cast their votes.
According to Article II of the U.S. Constitution AND the 12th Amendment – if 1/3rd of the States do not cast their votes in the Electoral College — then the matter falls onto the House of Representatives to choose the President.
In other words — if we pressure Congressmen, State Party Officials, and groups such as Tea Party Patriots, Heritage Foundation, etc., to call on RED States to NOT have their Electors cast their vote — then the House of Reps CAN choose the next President!!!!!
The democrats are stealing this election and it is up to WE, the people, to put the hammer down on their widespread vote-fraud.
The founding-fathers gave us the Electoral College for several reasons.
Vote-Fraud is one of those reasons.
But it is up to us to hold tightly to the Constitution. If we don’t – then we are just as guilty as those who would ignore it.
The Constitution can stop the socialist machine in its’ tracks.
But it is up to YOU to get on the phone and make some noise.
Please call your State Party Officials, your Congressmen, and any political groups or organizations ASAP.
WE do not elect the President. The Electoral College elects the President. But if enough of them do not cast their vote – then the responsibility falls onto the House of Representatives to choose the next President.
MAKE THE CALLS!!!
If just 17 RED States agreed to NOT cast their votes in the electoral college – then it goes to the House. And if pressured – they just might do it.
We do NOT have to convince ANY democrats – at all.
All we have to do is convince 1/3 of the States to NOT cast their electoral college votes.
Well more than 1/3 of the States did in fact vote as RED States. And they too can see the obvious, wide-spread vote-fraud which has taken place.
So, if the Electors in 17 States which Romney won decided to NOT cast their electoral college votes — then the electoral college does not meet the requirement as defined in the Constitution. And in such a case, the electoral college is thereby null and void. The matter then goes to the House.
In every State, each political party chooses its’ own “electors”.
Then, whichever party wins the popular vote in each State is the party which gets to have its’ electors cast their vote in the electoral college.
However, according to the Constitution and the 12th Amendment, in order for the Electoral College to have a quorum – then at least 2/3rds of the States must cast their votes.
As stated in the Constitution and the 12th Amendment:
“A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States,”
So, if 1/3 of the States (17) do NOT cast their electoral college votes – then it goes to the House of Representatives (not the senate) to elect the next President.
YES!! WE CAN DO THIS!!
GET THE WORD OUT!!
AND MAKE SOME CALLS!!”
RI is not a RINO.
He’s a Dr. Phil cool aide sucking hippy who is wearing rose colored glasses.
WHI although he is Democrat, he’s an old style democrat who is more to the right than most of the idiots in the Republican party that exist today.
WHI is more republican than say the speaker of the house.
You know why he’s pissed?
He’s seen it all and has seen things do down a path that neither the old style democrats and and republicans could never imagine.
RI is simply a junior level kid with no history and therefore the the rose color glasses with the belief that things can be fixed.
Fixed? By adding more laws and restrictions?
Nobody is talking about streamlining laws and lowering the amount of laws and restrictions to make America work again.
RI as I stated before is a junior level flunky, gopher, with ZERO experience and understanding trying to make everybody feel good with a happy message and telling people to ignore the crap everybody is in.
Israel, Egypt, Pakistan, the EU, Canada , Russia, China all are being affected by this regime in DC which will forever change the world in a direction equal to a room without a lightbulb and everybody in that room carrying clubs.
I hope WHI is able to smack some sense in RI to actually feel anger at what has happened and not just talk but get things moving.
Like kicking out Bohner.
my 2 cents.
Go get em WHI. Educate that kid and try and knock some sense into him.
UM Posters, Please reread West 1890..and PERPWALKTHEMTHROUGHTHEROSEGARDEN …that is where the answer resides
There is NO reason to accept the pablum RI offers….do not take the poison pill…
Sorry NameBM, but this WAS a free country until Obama….. and he is destroying the country through his executive orders like no other before him has done…we were a FREE people…and a PROUD people…and only we can stop this…There are few of THEM….and MANY of US…REFUSE to ACCEPT your chains of slavery
THEE VOTE HAS NOT BEEN CERTIFIED…AND THAT IS WHERE OUR ANSWER LIES…THE FUTURE IS NOT YET LOST AND DECIDED….
DEMAND, PROTEST, CALL, MARCH, MAKE YOURSELF HEARD…THE ANGER out there IS THE reason for the false flag….
MAKE YOURSELF HEARD
Read…WHERE?
PERPWALKTHEMTHROUGHTHEROSEGARDEN
No question. RI shows EXACTLY what is wrong with the GOP. UNWILLING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE–look what Boehner is doing-purging conseravtives from the GOP. Stupid, insular, complicit and blind to the truth. It takes a Dem-(?ex DEM) like WHI to tell the truth and make everyone face reality. SO SO SICK what this country has come to and so so SICK about the GOP. I think it is too late. 2014 will not happen.By 2016 the US will be too far gone and that murderous B–ch Hillary Clinton will be installed as leader unless Obama,(just like his Muslim Brother(hood) friend Morsi, names himself President-for-life.
I agree – unwilling to listen to the people and SMUG. Not sure of RI’s idea of how to face what UM calls “some hard truths.” Maybe I’m wrong, but boy he is all about The Party, while we are about The Country.
If he had followed the UMR as closely as he suggested in a previous ‘sit-down,’ surely he wouldn’t say something as inane as, …” I think this is a great idea…give people the opportunity to really get a taste of the kinds of conversations being had inside the party right now. There’s a lot of talking…a lot of soul-searching…”
Common sense in the Ulsterman Army is standard issue, but my guess is RI doesn’t know that because he only bothers to read the comments if he thinks they’ll mention him and thus has followed UM but not really the whole of the Ulsterman Report experience.
So, to him, we are a studio audience, nodding, clapping, occasionally emitting canned laughter on cue, but lacking any analytical ability. I know UM gives us reports of conversations so we can’t expect an essay from RI. And I know it is not about the comments, but if he’s so keen on ‘conversation’ and ‘messaging,’ can’t he be less cagey?
Consider….Obama put US Weapons into the hands of our enemy Al Qaeda
…..Obama lied up to the election
……Obama is leading the USA off the fiscal cliff to it’s demise and the demise of the DOLLAR
…….Obama achieved election via FRAUD
………Obama at a time of crisis is leaving on a months vacation
……….Obama is dismantling the US Constitution
………Obama is leading the USA into WWIII
……….Obama stood by and watched as a US Ambassador was raped and murdered
……….Obama stood by and watched as US Seals were murdered
Who sent Ambassador Stevens to Benghazi…Why?
Where is the order Obama supposedly gave to save those now dead Americans?……Prove it.
Who put those Seals in Afganistan on one garbage craft??? Why?….. They NEVER travel in that great number together in one craft?
Why were the sailors on board lied to about Osama’s body…led to believe it was Kaddaffi’s son?
This can begin IF the parents of the murdered come out together and speak out
These reasons are more than enough NOT to certify…….and that he enjoys a 59% disapproval should help
TREASON…..the lack of certification will be a difficult battle but far less so than where we are going…
Breitbart
BENGHAZIGATE: OBAMA ADMIN KNEW LIBYAN TERRORISTS HAD US-PROVIDED WEAPONS
by BEN SHAPIRO 5 Dec 2012, 7:25 PM PDT POST A COMMENT
In a story that’s been largely buried by the media for years upon years – and was doubly buried in the aftermath of the Benghazi terrorist attack on September 11 resulting in the death of four Americans – the New York Times is now reporting that US-approved arms that were supposed to go to Libya rebels went to Islamist terrorists. Even more importantly, the Obama administration knew about it before, during, and after the Benghazi attacks. The Times reports:
No evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.
But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government ….
The United States, which had only small numbers of C.I.A. officers on the ground in Libya during the tumult of the rebellion, provided little oversight of the arms shipments. Within weeks of endorsing Qatar’s plan to send weapons there in spring 2011, the White House began receiving reports that they were going to Islamic militant groups
This was clearly a risk in arming the rebels in the first place. As Breitbart News reported, Benghazi was controlled by terrorist group Ansar Al-Shariah. And terrorists like Sufyan Ben Qumu, who was originally rumored to be the planner of the Benghazi attack (sources later denied he was the planner), were armed and supplied by the United States in their war against Muammar Qadaffi.
If, in fact, US-funneled weapons were used in the Benghazi attack and the administration knew about it, that would explain their initial attempt to position the Benghazi attack as a spontaneous riot gone amiss. It’s one thing to hand guns to Libyan rebels who later go crazy about a YouTube video – that’s at least mildly justifiable. It’s radically unjustifiable to hand over weapons to terrorists, who then go on to plan attacks against the United States.
“WHI: I’ve seen a few things you know? And this…this election was STOLEN. STOLEN. STOLEN. I’ll go to my grave knowin’ that… A precinct here. County there. BAM! They got their swing states.”
“RI: We keep walking back over this grave and the result will always be the same on this. The truth will stay buried, one way or the other. Could there have been some…theft? Or irregularities? Sure. I’ll say there were, like any election. Certainly any national election. But…the fact remains…the real fact remains…voter turnout was not enough on the Republican side. Obama’s turnout was considerably less in 2012 than 2008 but we still lost. Not because…ummm…not entirely because of possible fraud…but more likely because a whole lot of voters just…either didn’t vote or in the end…they voted for Obama.”
Could it be that in settlement to a lawsuit that Republicans are gutted of pursuing election fraud and intimidation investigations? Or:
1. Aaron Russo explained that electronic ballots possess codes that can at whim decide the election, which requires the machine’s source code.
2. Numerous accounts have stated dually to have chosen Romney but the machine automatically chose Obama.
3. There were also accounts of predominantly Republicans showing up to vote, and they had already voted, which interestingly appear to be in areas that Obama won.
4. Republican Poll observers were removed by Democrats at several polling stations.
5. Obama did not win not one state that requires a State ID/Driver’s License, which open the door to being repealed after this election if it’s allowed to stand, and people voting for other people also enables people to change voting parties at the polls after all they voted before getting there.
RI, if this isn’t enough to launch an investigation, the Republican Party can forget 2014, 2016, or any other election particularly at the Presidential level.
“I have to deal with what I have the power to influence.”
Yet, you claim to possess the influence to use the alternative media to aid Republicans reach ‘Conspiracy Theorists, Ron Paul Supporters, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, and etc who have been effectively banished to the alternative media, but you lack the influence to encourage an investigation to ensure election confidence… That yellow liquid isn’t rain or lemonade.
“RI: Yes – in many ways, absolutely. There are some new voices finally having a chance to speak up. That’s long overdue.”
“WHI: What the f-ck are you on about? “New voices”? Really? Didn’t John-boy just push some of those voices off the table?”
1. Boehner has removed quite a bit of Conservative Republicans from positions on Committees of importance; this is like when those who voting against raising the debt ceiling during Obama’s first term were automatically disband from being on the Committee meant to bring a balanced budget and Ron Paul supporters were effectively shoved by the Party.
Boehner either is playing politics thinking that Republicans seen to be compromising with the Obama Administration will earn brownie points by a populace who largely still sees the economic woes as W. Bush’s fault without also acknowledging or recognizing Obama has pursued effectively the same domestic and international policies as well as expanded upon them. Guess, where these places Republicans for the majority of alternative media readers? If you answered unprincipled Neo-Cons, you are right, and your left with UM to spread your massaged messages. The other option is that perhaps Boehner intends to expose Welfare nets as not factually self-funding, and this exposes the National Socialists of exploiting suffering for political gain. This fails to take into consideration Cloward-Pivon or progression to IMF Riot is already at 47% of the population who is part of the what makes the lovely part of the year known as Black Friday quite interesting for just a few dollars in savings for foreign developed merchandise. Boehner doesn’t seem to understand the risk, and Republicans will inevitably be blamed for it even if it is not entirely accurate. This is a good portion of the population whom Gerard, Hoffa, and others will encourage massive protests and perhaps riots giving Obama his justification for martial law and DHS directives as well as suspension of the Constitution. If Boehner kicks the can, he simply enables more rolls to be filled swelling that 47% dependence on government, it is also prudent to keep in mind charities and charity foundations are under attack to increase these very safety net. It also means that Republicans will increase the likelihood of losing the House in 2014 leaving it a minority party at best and effectively stripped of office.
This is why Republicans are trapped behind a pincer, and the stalemate line is breached.
2. So, what soul-searching and messaging did you plan on? Appealing to our emotions? Media Matters of the new media is more apt for that, but the R affiliation won’t get you anywhere.
“WHI: Next generations? Really? Those pathetic…did you see the numbers on the youth vote for Obama? Give me a f-cking break! All he did was promise a lower interest rate…student loans…some gay marriage bullsh-t…if those assh-les are the future of this country…they can have it.
F-ck them too. Little commie suckin’ –deleted-.”
“RI: You don’t mean that. That’s your frustration talking.”
I thought for sure that you introduced yourself as a student of history…
1. Refer to above and add 2 Supreme Court Justice enabling the national socialist agenda into full swing, and you have the grounds laid for the IMF Riot enabling martial law or achieved through constitutional convention. Cloward-Piven hid their Alinsky connection through using welfare safety net improvement as a redirection much like Malthusians just want to end poverty and suffering, and Eugenicists simply want to improve the human genetic condition…
2. The main point being if the Republicans can’t stick to its principles and keep election confidence up; it has no elective future. The country will become firmly national socialist as a result; whether, it’s Communist left, moderate Communitarian, or Fascist right.
And for all of you that kept quoting Malkin that SCYTL is just fine, and massive vote fraud was for tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theory nuts, you can all go f*ck yourselves too. I tried to warn you.
Those 3 S’s, Scytl, Sequoia, and SOE, are the NWO’s chosen vehicle to bring what is left of the free western world to its knees.
This is an example of what is happening out there and why we need to defend it.
From Moonbattery.
RI take note of each person’s stand and rebuttal.
And read the comments. Especially the one that states “George Washington did not use his Right to Free Speech to defeat the British, he shot them.”
http://moonbattery.com/?p=21951
Carol Roth said it right.
RI – please read (from Canada Free Press):
“Well…well. The Obama has finally begun his now-open for all to see and hear demands for a dictatorship over the [former] United States of America. A few days ago, Dictator-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama laid out his demands to Congress for not yet pushing the current USSA (aka “Amerika”) and its people over the ostensible fiscal cliff.
These demands include: a doubling of his campaign “promise” to $1.6 Trillions in new taxes levied on the American people (which will decimate what’s left of the middle-class…his intent all along), an immediate funding (to Obama) of $50Billions (to be used for political purposes as he sees fit…in other words a “gift” to him personally for any political purposes he deems necessary) and personal unlimited sole authority to raise the USSA’s debt ceiling as he desires…whenever he wants. Translation: Obama now demands full dictatorial powers over the US economy and the elimination of Congressional authority—or even input—in all economic matters. In exchange, Obama said he “may” consider spending less of the taxpayers’ (aka “serfs”) money—but, he did not say it was a guarantee.
We discovered a day or so ago that these most recent ObamaDemands are not negotiable. Either Congress gives him full dictatorial control in this matter or he will 1. Bring the country to an immediate close or 2. Write another illegal non-binding Executive Order giving himself supremacy in this matter. As Congress has not yet challenged Obama on any of his EOs we can assume they will, also, remain silent on this one…should it be written.
Another “discovery” is that only Boehner (Obama’s new BFF) and Obama are “negotiating” behind closed doors. The American people—long ago—were shut out of their own government. Now Congress is being shut out, also. Sadly, most people will not accept that which is right in front of them…the truth that we have been living under a dictatorship for at least the last four years. The media won’t report it as, for some inexplicable reason, they rather like barbaric totalitarian governments. Besides, with the Benghazi assassinations being “okayed” by Obama, we already know the media support, if not endorse, murder from this “president” and they will protect and serve him no matter what additional atrocities he commits. And said new atrocities are coming, folks. The media stopped reporting the news years ago and now only deliver what the White House tells them to “report.” As a matter of record, Obama most recently met with Marxist channel MSNBC reporters privately 4 December, 2012.
*****Any one who still has the ability to think clearly and reason logically understands perfectly well what’s going on. We have been taken over by a criminal totalitarian syndicate that has no intention of letting go until every last liberty is destroyed, every perversion imaginable is employed (the only things Obama will allow to be employed by the way) and every last dollar is either spent or squeezed from our cold dead hands. With no one stopping him, Obama will nationalize everything—including us—for his own reprehensible purposes. Note: For those of you who grew up in the US government school system over the past 20-30 years, please Google USSR. Lenin, Karl Marx Communist Manifesto, Marx’s poems to Lucifer and Josef Stalin’s genocide. You will then get a truer picture of what you—and we—are now facing.
For those who say “Obama won this reelection” I say “garbage” and Obama won nothing. The election was “won” via massive voter fraud. In my last column “It’s Official: Obama Voter Fraud Reason for “Reelection”/growing Totalitarian Government”, I identify and sourced where much of the fraud was affected. Or, you may Google “massive voter fraud Obama reelection.” *****
One of the old leaders of the USSR and one of Obama‘s personal favorites Josef Stalin wrote quite accurately of all totalitarians:
“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything”—Josef Stalin.
We cannot do anything about Obama’s adoring media—except not watch them—but, we may still be able to do something about Congress. If we do not vote out all of the House and Senate members who are hell-bent upon enslaving us—our slavery is assured. There is currently a conservative movement afoot in the House of Reps to replace Boehner as Speaker. In January, only 16 House members need to abstain from voting for Boehner as Speaker of the House. Despite his protestations to the contrary, Boehner has already signaled his intent to give Dictator-in-Chief Obama what he wants. I urge you to call and write your Congress man or woman and tell them not to vote for Boehner but, to abstain.
These have become some of the hardest days of many of our lives. Watching the complete dismantling of our country—including our military, liberties, transfer of our wealth overseas or into the pockets of those who have stolen not earned it—is only the beginning of the torture Obama has planned for the remnant left in what was once our country. If we continue to sit back and do nothing, our fate is already sealed and we have accepted the bondage Obama demands and that which is already upon us. Above all else and all others, remember by whose authority we are here and what our actions convey on multiple levels. By the way, look to Egypt’s Morsi as a foreshadowing of the still-emerging Obama.”
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51571
“Love the smell of napalm in the morning”,gentlemen…
(can not wait for part deux).
*Just a note for “RI”,If you think this country will swallow another Bush(Jeb=Nazi),think again…
Karl Rove can kiss our red,white and blue ARSES…
*Another note, to any whom are able to answer…
Is Ulsterman’s term “they” meant as plural,or is possible “Insider”, is a woman???
“WHI then backed away from the very proposal they had made just days earlier. Then, just as quickly as they had refused, they once again agreed”.
UM has always referred to all the insiders as they/their so he does not give away the gender to make it harder to identify him/her. As opposed to “It”
The Bill of Rights was a set of 12 Amendments, not 10. The first and most important one is still pending in the State Legislatures. 9 States signed it originally, so only 26 more are needed to make it law. It states that the size of a Congressional District be limited to 50,000 citizens. I’ve known for 15 years that without this Amendment, there is no hope of saving the Republic. Yet very few people will listen. If you have an open mind and want to do something constructive, ask your state representatives to introduce a bill to pass the real first Amendment, now know as “Article the First”.
I keep coming back to read the newest comments and ideas that have been posted- a third party, etc. But I tend to boil things down to the bottom line and the bottom line is this:
Party platform, candidate appeal, public support-both idealogical and financial for a candidate are all important, but are all for naught if the voting process, the verification of voter identity and the tallying of votes has been totally corrupted- and it has. No matter how worthy the candidate, no matter how much support he garners- it means nothing if we cannot trust the system we use to elect people to political office. Until we fix that system and make it tamper proof-there is no point in strategizing.
Sounds like RI is on anti-depressants. Anyone else have this suspicion?
WHI is right on! Let’s get down to some REAL talking. I’m sick of the BS I have to hear day in and day out by people like RI. Afterall, WHI’s life is on the line here!
I’m done with these Vichy Republican swine. When Atlas is done shrugging, he’s going to pick up a gun.
You do realize that one of you are going to vote, talk or debate your way out of what’s coming at you,don’t you?
The “Intelligence Insider” told Doug Hagmann that there was going to be a**** FALSE FLAG**** about the use of Chemical weapons in Syria !!
Today Clinton said that Assad might be using Chemical Weapons against his people.
Then she went on to say some Chemical Weapons may have fallen into the hands of “al Qaeda” ….. There were Chemical weapons that were part of Libya’s weapons stash!!
It’s no false flag. It’s the real deal.
I get my Middle East news directly from Middle East sources. Assad loaded his chemical weapons onto transports headed towards Aleppo a couple of days ago.
Like father, like son.
And of course they are telling the truth…..
Assad would not make such a move without the green light of Russia and China.
So it means that the proxy war is about to escalate. Would this timing reflects the uncertainty with Mursi future? Would the Russians make their move while Egypt is too busy internaly to act as front to the US, such as to force the US to get involved directly?