A brief update from a Republican Insider regarding the war now being waged inside the Republican Party.
(Will John Boehner remain Speaker after January 3rd? )
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Sorry for not getting back to you. Remember what I said a month ago about the push to remove Boehner from his position as Speaker? That move has now turned into all out war. Kudos to the Tea Party wing who stood strong and united against what Boehner did to them with the committee purge. And a double kudos to a certain outgoing Congressman from Florida who when asked if they could count on his vote for Boehner’s Plan B said, “Tell Speaker Boehner he can go to hell. I won’t vote for anything he sends my way unless it’s a vote to impeach Barack Obama or his own resignation as Speaker. Preferably both.”
The fact this particular Congressman was even approached about supporting the Plan B option shows just how weak John Boehner has become among his own Republicans. January 3rd is the vote for Speaker. I am going to be part of an effort to see Boehner removed. We would actually like him to step aside to avoid further conflict inside the party. And if the White House wants to see that as some kind of victory for them, they will have another thing coming. These Republicans are finally getting ready and willing to start putting up a real fight.
Doesn’t mean the fiscal cliff stuff won’t turn into some kind of negotiation pledge with the White House. That is too far gone to stop now and the Democrats are obviously trying to use it as political leverage with the voters for 2014. That appears to have been the plan all along. Typical Obama bullcrap.
Kind of related, I watched the Benghazi news conference today. Figured you were watching too as well as (WHI). I can’t help but wonder how the 2012 election might have been different if those three senators had given that same news conference two weeks before the election like they had promised (WHI)?
I am ashamed of my party and how weak it has been the last few years. I disagree with almost everything the Democrats stand for, but at least they fight.
Time we started to fight back.
-RI
Since it doesn’t really matter what the House passes , they probably should have passed ” plan b ” last night . Reid would have never allowed it to get to the senate floor and Obama would have vetoed it had it passed , thereby putting the ball in the Dem’s court . Obviously , Obama wants widespread tax increases and sequestration – he even said so in an interview with the Des Moines Regester . On the other hand , it would be refreshing to see Boehner gone as speaker or at least scared into standing for some conservative principles .
“Boehner gone as speaker or at least scared into standing for some conservative principles”
The man has been a wet noodle and he has actively sought to purge the Tea Party. Him, McConnell, and RINO’s in both Houses need to be replaced with true conservatives. Boner has been compromised and, in turn, has compromised the Party.
The American people, at least the conservatives, expect our “Representatives” were elected to represent us and under Boner, most have let us down.
We’ll have to stand up and rebuild our Party, this time, correctly. No Compromise- No “Back-Door Deals”- Nothing but the truth- And doing the “Right Thing” for America regardless of Party, will be our only salvation.
This is how ADULTS deal with reality…
Thank you for the update UM. As most of us figured, the White Hous was not the least bit interested in negotiations regarding the budget. Not only will it allow all wage earners and businesses to pay higher taxes, but also to give a “sock it to me” to the Republicans aka the blame game.
“Try to enjoy the holidays. You’re in my prayers. Sorry for your loss.” Hope that you and yours are okay, UM.
Kudos to the Tea Party Wing indeed! ..We send our best wishes their way and will stand shoulder to shoulder with them…with our support and our wallets…come re-election time.
Send our wishes to Boehner as well…Tell him to go to hell for the rest of us too!
It’s time to get tough… Boehner’s got no balls…Capitulation is Not negotiation.
The Congress and America’a Checkbook was voted to the Republican Party to be certain the profligate Communist didn’t completely destroy the county…and to show real leadership on the fiscal front.
West spoke for all of us.
To hell with the repubic weaklings.
As for Obama, hell is too nice a place for him.
The tea partiers are working overtime to keep the Republicans the stupid party.
Boehner may not have been the strongest negotiator, but why does the STUPID party go “all in” to preserve tsx rates for the top 2%?
Just hand the Demcong another PR victory.
No offense, but perhaps it’s a concept you may not be familiar with — being such a rare sight in society today, let alone Congress, the Executive, and the Judicial branches — usually labeled: principle.
“No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.”
– Samuel Adams
THIS — primarily via their stranglehold on academe and the LSM — explains why the “Demcong” (the EVIL party) ALWAYS wins EVERY PR victory, IRRESPECTIVE of what the Republicans do.
Had Ronald Reagan cured cancer, they would have crucified him as having created the disease in the first place … wake up!
Purity is for virgins.
All I’m saying is that the Republicans keep winning the debating points and losing the battle (and the 2012 war).
It’s all show business and the Demcong are winning.
BTW, I agree:
Let It Burn.
“Purity is for virgins.Wow, and I thought I was cynical.
But I agree with your summary here, Graywolf; perhaps I misunderstood your original comment.
Sadly, in the astonishingly increasing irrational society ours has now become (owing to Kantist/Hegelian/Marxist philosophical control this past century of: academia and branching out into education; politics; economics; history; religion; journalism and other media like Hollywood, “music”, and entertainment; the social “sciences” and humanities; and even the hard “junk” sciences) winning debating points is indeed increasingly useless and futile.
It’s virtually all kabuki now, and — like all tyrannies in which (1) the ends justifies the means and (2) individuals are viewed as means only (the end being the “collective” or state), and not as ends in themselves — the Marxists are winning …
“By refusing to admit to themselves the nature of that which they are accepting; the people who support plans specifically designed to achieve serfdom, but hide behind the empty assertion that they are lovers of freedom, with no concrete meaning attached to the word … They expect, when they find themselves in a world of bloody ruins and concentration camps, to escape moral responsibility by wailing: ‘But I didn’t mean this!’”
– Ayn Rand
L.I.B.
Let It Burn!
– and –
Let’s Institutionalize Boehner!
“That is too far gone to stop now and the Democrats are obviously trying to use it as political leverage with the voters for 2014. That appears to have been the plan all along. Typical Obama bullcrap.”
REALLY!!!! You think!!! DUHHHH.
It is overdue the Reps wake up and realize they are not facing political opponents but mortal enemies. The political landscape has completely changed on them since 2007 when the Obamacamps got started and yet the Reps are still operating under the notion that this Administration want the best for America.
Wrong! This administration could not care less about the welfare of America. Their primary goal is obtaining and maintaining absolute power over the American people. They do not care about the devastation they will have to cause in order to achieve this goal. Ridiculizing the Republican Party to the point if irrelevency fit perfectly in their plans.
Boehner is not equipped to fight them. Cantor is no better. It needs to be a Tea Party newbie. Someone not yet too corrupted, scared or tired. Tim Huelskamp is a name I would like to see in the race to replace Boehner. He was on Hannity today and I think he gets it.
Second your nomination for Huelskamp. Would also take Palin or Gowdy if he declines.
From Newsmax.com:
Newsmax
Huelskamp: Tea Party Will Challenge GOP Who Raise Taxes
Wednesday, December 26, 2012 04:40 PM
By: Jim Meyers and Kathleen Walter
Rep. Tim Huelskamp tells Newsmax he is “very pessimistic” that there will be a deal in Washington to significantly cut federal spending and begin dealing with the deficit.
The Kansas Republican also says he is “dissatisfied with both parties” for not taking action earlier to deal with the fiscal crisis.
And he warns that the conservative base could mount primary challenges against Republican incumbents who agree to raise taxes.
Rep. Huelskamp was first elected in 2010 and is a member of the Tea Party Caucus. He is one of four Republicans the GOP leadership removed from key committee posts for failure to toe the party line, a move the congressman calls “petty” and “vindictive.”
Several Senate Republicans have suggested they could endorse a plan raising taxes on high-income earners. In an exclusive interview with Newsmax TV, Huelskamp was asked if such a proposal could pass the GOP-controlled House.
“I’m not for certain that would pass,” he says.
“The speaker had offered a somewhat similar plan to the House in terms of raising taxes on the top one percent or half percent, but the last thing we want to do in these economically difficult times is things that would result in the loss of jobs.
“Anywhere from 200,000 to 700,000 jobs would be lost with the president’s tax increases. I’d rather extend these tax measures for another year and that would provide some certainty in this current environment.
“With the president so firmly entrenched in his idea that we should raise taxes on anyone, together with the Obamacare taxes that are rolling in next year, it could be an enormous tax increase on January first which will set the economy back.
“The tax increases that the president has proposed would impact hundreds of thousands of small businesses so it’s just not ‘the wealthy,’ it impacts those who actually create jobs today and will be doing that in the future.
Story continues below the video.
The proposed tax increase that the House rejected last week to raise taxes on millionaires would have impacted over 300,000 small businesses and over 41 percent of small business income.”
Asked if he is optimistic that a deal will be reached, Huelskamp responds: “I am not that optimistic. It’s still 50-50 but I am pretty certain there will not be a solution.
“The problem in Washington, D.C. is not that there’s not enough taxes collected. There’s too much spending. And we have a majority leader in the Senate as well as the president of the United States that are absolutely opposed to any reductions in spending.
“With the $1.3 trillion deficit last year and looking at a trillion-dollar deficit for years to come, we have to reduce spending. So I’m very pessimistic that there will be any spending reductions that are necessary to start working towards some fiscal responsibility.
“We have a president that won 51 percent of the vote but is more than willing to hold up tax relief for 99 percent of Americans to get after the one percent he would like to identify. But that does not solve the problem.
It’s a spending problem and Americans, as they see this, hopefully they’ll begin to understand the reality of the problem is there’s too much spending in Washington, D.C., too many new programs, too much government, too many regulations.
“Obamacare kicking in next year it will be decidedly cost Americans jobs. We have 20 million Americans out of work or looking for more work and the last thing they want to hear is that Washington is going to do some things that will make the economy slow down, perhaps go into recession.”
Huelskamp believes that even with the fiscal cliff looming, President Obama’s top priority is raising taxes to pay for increased spending.
“Even the biggest tax increase in American history will not be enough to match the new spending priorities this president has,” he tells Newsmax.
“If he wants to raise the money to pay for his programs, particularly for Obamacare, it will take these massive tax increases that are on the table for the end of the year.
“I’m so dissatisfied with both parties in Washington because this is not a surprise. For two years they knew this was coming. I introduced a bill over a year ago that would help avoid this problem, make the tax relief permanent and then start working on fundamental tax reform. So this cliff is Washington’s own making.
“We waited far too long, as evident in the election results. Clearly, the advantage that Republicans have had as being seen as the pro-taxpayer party, we’ve lost, especially with the Republicans in Washington, D.C. actually talking about tax increases.
“For decades, it’s been the Democrats that have passed tax increases through the House and it should stay that way. The Republican Party needs to return to its conservative roots and understand that we are the party of growth and opportunity, not the party of smaller tax increases than the president of the United States.”
The Club for Growth and other conservative groups have said they’ll target any Republican who would vote for a tax hike. Asked if those Republicans should worry about a primary challenge, Huelskamp observes: “They’ve received a number of calls and concerns. I’ve heard from constituents, and if it’s the same across the country, the conservative base is quite upset.
“They’re very upset that in the midst of the worst economic recovery since the Great Depression and a wounded presidency, that the GOP establishment could not beat this president, could not win seats in the Senate, lost eight seats in the House. So there’s a lot of dissatisfaction with the current establishment in Washington, D.C. and I’m presuming it will translate into election results in the next year to two. Primaries begin in a little over a year in some of these states and this is going to be a huge issue in many of these races.”
In light of Speaker John Boehner’s playing the lead role in the removal of Rep. Huelskamp and three other Republicans from committee posts, Huelskamp was asked if Boehner’s job is safe.
“That would be a decision for a couple of weeks from now when the entire House will consider who will be the next speaker. It might be the same. That’s probably pretty likely.
“The way the speaker has negotiated behind closed doors is not helpful and starting by granting the president’s idea that we should raise taxes on someone, that was the wrong place to start. So there’s certainly a lot of dissatisfaction, but then you tie on top of it the really petty, vindictive acts against myself and three of my colleagues by kicking us off preferred committees.
“If Republicans would like to return to the majority in the Senate and actually take back the House, the best way to do that is promoting and rewarding and advocating conservative pro-growth principles, not attacking those who are doing so.
We have many fights on our hands. We just need to push the RINOs out of the way.
A better strategy is to figure how to enlist them in your fight. It is possible to win a war with 1/3rd of the population on your side. But you can’t win votes with those kinds of margins.
Now if you are fighting a shooting war purging the wishy-washy may be of some help but when it comes to votes? I don’t think so.
That is what is so off putting about Rs. “We have the answer and anyone who doesn’t agree can go to Hell.” Well look at 2012 – the Americans chose Hell.
That is what is so off putting about Rs. “We have the answer and anyone who doesn’t agree can go to Hell.” Well look at 2012 – the Americans chose Hell.
Nice strawman. /Wasn’t that both Romney’s and Boehner’s 2012 campaign motto?
I mean, seriously? If that’s not a Leftist mantra, I don’t know what is …
What’s really off-putting about Rs is that they not only allow the supposed “enemy” — statists — within their “leadership” ranks (i.e. elected offices) … they overtly and enthusiastically support and defend them. Any serious conservative who’s a charismatic leader, like Reagan and Palin, are demonized by the elites from within their own party, the very party that claims — emphasis on the word CLAIM — to be for increased individual liberty, smaller government, and a Constitutional Republic.
American’s weren’t given much of a choice in 2012: Statist/ObamaCare-deliverer vs. Statist-Lite/ObamaCare-architect. In other words, Americans had a choice between Hell and Hell-lite; and, you’re correct in stating that they chose the former.
The longer it takes for us to descend into insolvency and implode, the worse will be the magnitude and the less likely the ability to recover. I say let’s get to it already, so we can try to rebuild what once was great while those living still have some semblance of its memories.
[Apologies for being in a feisty mood recently; must be the holiday season.
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I dunno. I follow Palin pretty closely (not as much as I used to) and I have yet to hear her call for purges (“RINOS out of the Party”). My take is that she prefers to change minds. Defections carry more weight than excommunications.
The only advantage purges have is that they are easy. In the short run.
If the object is to win elections purges are no help. RINOS get into office because people vote for them. Do you get that? Let me repeat:
RINOs GET INTO OFFICE BECAUSE PEOPLE VOTE FOR THEM.
What you want is a different people. Purges are no help there either.
CHANGE MINDS.
I have been working that 40 years re: Drug Prohibition. My work is bearing fruit.
And the accusation “Leftist” is not endearing. I’m a libertarian. Smaller government.
Well I’m going to continue to support the libertarians and the Libertarians until the Rs come to their senses. When you have had enough Sotero perhaps you might want to enlist my help.
@M.Simon — we’re far more in agreement than you might think; I’m a libertarian and former member of the Libertarian Party (won’t bore you with the details on why I left).
I’m more than happy for your help and thank you for your service in battling the idiotic Prohibition against Drugs. Believe me, I’d already had enough of Sotero within the first couple minutes of having first heard him speak at the 2004 Democrat Convention (BTW — I had the exact same reaction to the first time I heard Bill Clinton speak: complete, psycho-sociopathic, narcissistic, evil, fraudulent, Marxist, tyrannical, lying bastard].
Anyway … Who said anything about purges? I think you interpreted the original commenter’s statement “We just need to push the RINOs out of the way” as somehow condoning some kind of coercive measures, whereas I interpreted as an endorsement of using persuasive measures (as you well know, those are the only two ways to govern — via coercion or persuasion).
You AND the original commenter are BOTH correct. We need to persuade people to vote for charismatic Constitutional conservatives/libertarians; i.e., against RINOs and for individuals who possess both fully-formed value systems AND the ability to — unapologetically and with moral courage — communicate those values and the virtues required to achieve them.
RINOs, IMHO, are never going to change at their cores; they may APPEAR to have been persuaded and CLAIM to have finally seen the light out of fear of losing their jobs, but they’re already corrupt for belonging to the supposed party of smaller government while ALWAYS — perhaps with the lone exception of Ron Paul — voting for its exponential growth into Leviathan.
I appreciate your respectful tone and have enjoyed the good debate, although I think the few disagreements I’ve had on this thread have been merely a product of misinterpretations and misunderstandings. Take care!
“Statist/ObamaCare-deliverer vs. Statist-Lite/ObamaCare-architect. In other words, Americans had a choice between Hell and Hell-lite”
No, there was Ron Paul. The establishment RINO’s made every effort to marginalize him, giving the election to Obama. Paul would of pulled both democrats and republicans together under constitutional values with a large dose of liberty, something which was lacking in both parties.
The cynic in me believes that the Republicans were more than happy to hand over the establishment back over to the democrats rather than chance a victory to a renegade politician such as Dr. Paul. I know Bernanke was NOT happy Dr. Paul had enough clout to challenge Romney for the Republican nomination.
After seeing how South Carolina was ‘Stolen’ from Mr. Paul by the Establishment Republicans and the Pressitute Media, you could tell the fix was in.
Well I was a pretty high ranking Libertarian in my town. I left because of 9/11.
I guess I have been soured by a number of anti-libertarians on this board.
And yes – the Ron Paul option was there. He got booed at the convention for suggesting we end socialism for criminals i.e. Prohibition.
Anyway I voted Johnson/Gray – I had a “free” vote. I live in Illinois.
Really? We didn’t chose hell… hell was illegally forced upon us through election fraud both at the polls and at the Secretary of State level in 2008. This Islamocommunist in the White House was never eligible to run for state senate let alone President. Now everyone just sits on their hands and watches the termites swarm the house and eat it to the ground.
Stay focused on legalizing drugs. I think that is your strong point.
Sarcasm off.
The Boehner issue is peanuts, mere kabuki, compared to what we are up against. We will continue to lose this country as long as we ignore our moral imperative. We let them take Christ out of Christmas, the law from our Constitution, and now we will let them take our property, our rights and our dignity.
@ Justawoman
I agree with your comments about election fraud…..And no One is doing anything. I reported to: voterfraud@foxnews.com After about 20 different accounts of voter fraud I asked what they were going to do about it… No response.
The benghazi Massacre I faxed Information from Doug Hagmann to the Congressman & Senators involved with the investigation….. The US was moving weapons to our Enemy ….No response!!
“Stay focused on legalizing drugs. I think that is your strong point.”
Good point. I have picked an issue and pursued it relentlessly (changing minds) for 40 years. I’m now on the winning side.
You have the stamina and will to do the same on your issues?
Don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with you before, Simon but I guess there’s a first for everything.
I agree with your past comments on the Republicans making the tent smaller and smaller over the years but I don’t believe that and the current internal leadership struggles are analogues.
Where I believe your comparison breaks down is your idea that the Republicans in the House of Representatives are analogous to the voting public. With the public, if they feel alienated, their vote changes. It’s a private vote and their loyalties are to themselves and to the people they take care of.
With a Congressman, that vote is public and heavily scrutinized. Consequently, if Boehner is removed and replaced by a Tea Party Republican who exhibits strong leadership qualities and genuine conservatism, the party members in congress are unified and votes are gained, not lost because the RINOs are now “enlisted” in the fight. Congressmen want cover from their leadership when there’s a controversial vote. Boehner is providing zero cover for the conservatives of the party.
There’s no reaching out to bad, unprincipled leadership. It has to be removed from power as gracefully as possible and replaced with a principled leader. If done properly, the previous, under-performing regime can still perform a valuable service in a different kind of role.
Ryan,
Keep in mind that those Republicans got VOTED into office.
We have tried to enlist the RINOs in our fight but they’re the ones who have refused to go along. Giving in to the Progressives has been the RINOs biggest problem. Inch by inch they gave away our freedoms.
Brow beating is not enlistment. You enlist with enticements.
Can’t anyone play this game?
This isn’t a game. It’s not about scoring more points at any cost.
You ask the GOP to sell its soul for votes. The only possible result of that would be a soulless party.
E. A. B.,
Ah. I see you don’t care about winning elections. And then you are annoyed you don’t win elections.
How is that supposed to work?
Politics is not religion. A distinction the Republican base does not seem to get. Politics is pandering. You have to at least pretend during the election that you want people’s votes and at least hint that their issues will get a hearing if not results.
So OK. You can’t play the game. That has been obvious for a long time.
You only want the votes of the pure. I’m not so picky. But of course I prefer winning. Which on some of my issues I am.
Shain you just mentionned something very important. VERY IMPORTANT.
“…so we can try to rebuild what once was great while those living still have some semblance of its memories”
Time is of the essence because if the New Normal is installed on a generation, it becomes extremely difficult to convince them to abandon their way of life, no matter how gloom it is. It is called the Normalcy Biais. Once the memory of better ways of doing things, of things do not have to be this way, of where there is a will there is a way, is gone from the collective for an entire generation reversing the process relies on an exterior event. ie. war.
Good point about Normalcy Bias, NameBM.
And then there’s also the related issue that “… history is written by the victors.”
Tell RI that the RNC should be deluging the public with every single instance of racism, sexism, bullying, and menacing by the Democratic Party from slavery, to Jim Crow, to Wilson’s segregation of the federal government and disrespect of the Constitution, to FDR’s administration’s infiltration by the Ware group, to LBJ’s eavesdropping and illegal use of the FBI, to Carter’s “malaise” and impotent foreign policy, to Clinton’s ignoring of terrorism.
I’d like to see him emphasize the Republican adoption of Progressive policy. Prohibition.
We have two progressive parties in America. It is too bad they can’t both lose.
What you fail to recognizes is that the Republicans of 2012 are nothing like the Republicans of 1912. The Progressives split into two wings. The wings call themselves Democrats and Republicans. The rump of the Republicans of 1912 split from the Party in 1972 over Nixon’s Wage and Price Controls (very Progressive). They called themselves Libertarians.
I’d like to see a purge in the Republican Party. A purge of progressive thought. Fat chance. Republicans are as much in love with their vision of Moral Progressivism as the Democrats are in love with Economic Progressivism.
Back around 1900 the two wings of the Progressive were united. It is how we got Alcohol Prohibition. Clever of them to split into two factions while pretending to be in opposition.
We can just go off the cliff. I’m so tired of one way or no way. Let him own the fact a lot of people will have nothing to live on. Boehner is up against a brick wall. This is not a government for all people. I don’t know if anyone could do any better but maybe if some of the people he is giving to that don’t try to support their own selves will see what its like to depend on others who are not there to munch off of. All this tax money is for Obamacare to pay for the ones who take and take and then laugh about it. I say, they will step up to a better plan when the people hit the streets.
Excellent point on normalcy bias….and agreed that it’s a time critical issue if the opportunity hasn’t already been lost to the concept of “new normal.”
How many of the increasing numbers of illegals from other countries and legal American citizens are familiar with the traditional American existence? Not many I dare say.
I had mentioned in an earlier post that at some point a conservative leader is going to have to say to hell with PC, pussyfooting around, and start talking straight. If you offend someone so be it…..as many of us know the Constitution doesn’t defend our “rights to not be offended,” and in my opinion a conservative leader who speaks truth to power will attract more conservatives, paleos/ liberty types along with traditional Republicans. I think someone like this will get the conservatives who haven’t voted recently off their duffs and God knows we need their votes. I also think this would speak to the point Ryan was making that it would gives conservatives in Congress the ‘cover’ to vote accordingly. I think it’s lame that they would need “cover” but many of the politicos are gutless worms. Chris Christie was a breath of fresh air in his plain speaking take it or leave ot style. I think that is the winning formula in the current climate.
We don’t have too many shots left in the chamber…we need to make them count now.
Christie? The “plain speaker” who heaped praise on the socialist Obama days before the election? He’s a breath of fresh air?
That’s just the reefer smoke you’re smelling.
But keep praising Obama’s useful idiots, like Christie and Johnson and Ron Paul. It makes my work easier.
To borrow from your analogy, nobody will ever take you Libertarians to prom until you stop sleeping around.
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56&load=7782
Watch Bill Whittle on Kabuki…pass it on.
Superb, AtB, thank you.
I loved that he called them traitorous. They are.
Republicans lost the war 40 years ago when they made religion the center of their politics. It will take them 40 more years to change the Brand. If they start now (they haven’t). I should live so long.
In any case the Rs have been complicit in what is happening. “Medicare Part D” ring a bell? Terri Schiavo?
Prohibition is a failed ideology. Where are its last supporters concentrated? The Republican Party. Guess where that leaves the rest of the Republican ideology in the minds of the public? But just keep telling me I’m a one issue guy. That will solve it.
And guess what? Prohibition was originally a Progressive ideology. No wonder it fails. The Progressives are loosing. Good. To other Progressives. Not so good.
And of course you can claim I’m a marginal character. It is true. Another truth for you: elections are won at the margins. The question then becomes is my margin the right one? Time will tell. Or maybe given the way Republicans think it won’t.
Conflating the war on drugs with “prohibition” is nothing more than an exercise in revisionist history.
Drug legalization is a left-wing progressive position. Just look at who was smoking all the weed back in the sixties. It wasn’t Goldwater. It was the communists.
Or just look at yourself. After all, you voted for Obama in 2004.
Uh. No E. Check your history. The Harrison Narcotics Act was championed by Progressives. The Republicans of the day were against it. The progressives have changed their mind. The Republicans carry on.
Milton Friedman nailed it a long time ago. He called the Drug War a socialist program. Price supports for criminals. Now why a great swath of the right wants to support criminals is beyond me.
Yes. Given the choice of totolitarianisms I picked the Communist over the theocrat. As did quite a few Republican voters. You could look up the numbers.
You’re damn right Republicans have been complicit and Medicare Part D is a glaring example. The compassionate conservatives did an excellent job of pandering in this act. I am too young to qualify for Medicare and only know what I’ve read up on it…….apparently there’s a provision that illegals use to get prescriptions.
Here’s an interesting link and my apologies for it being off topic but it gives some insight into socialists and their Keynesian Republican “Fellow Travellers.” M.Simon made the observation that RI would do well to shine the light on Republican progressives…….this link gives a good look at that.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/lawrencehunter/2012/06/10/republicans-bash-obama-for-his-socialism-while-hiding-their-own/
Thank you.
Mark, I thank you too.
My favorite paragraph from the article begins, “Neither the card-carrying socialist Barack Obama nor the fellow traveler Mitt Romney are willing to disassemble the American welfare state or repeal the dynamo of democratic collectivism—the income tax. Neither candidate is prepared to dismantle the Federal Reserve and replace fiat currency with a commodity-backed dollar. Both candidates are steeped in socialist theology, which maintains the regulatory state is absolutely necessary to maintain stability and the Nanny State to protect our health and safety.”
Boehner isn’t really a bad guy. Just a bad speaker.
He doesn’t know his caucus well enough to hold it together, and when the results are seen in public it’s quite embarrassing for the GOP.
That and he’s of the school that thinks “something” needs to be passed in every instance, in order to make it appear that Congress is doing something. He’s so willing to get “something” passed, that he’ll negotiating and compromise until the resulting “something” goes against most of what he believes in. He can’t see the forest for the trees.
I say drop him. He’s not as bad ideologically as most of his critics contend, but he just isn’t very good at his job.
Yes, Boehner is not a bad guy per se. In another context, he would have been adequate. BUT he is a politician born and raised in another political era. He is a man of the past. He operates in a context of political games, when we are in an ideological war.
He is fighting on the wrong theater with obsolete manoeuvers.
We need a warrior. A man who understand Washington is not a gentleman corner anymore, but war ravaged terrain. A man who is not going to argue and debate, but who is going to fight with no intention to take prisoners.
The Reps have to realize that they are in danger of extinction.
Fews days after the 2008 elections, Carville declared the GOP dead. What a foresight. A few more years and it will be done, UNLESS the GOP realized it’s time to listen to the doctor and take its medecine.
Will the GOP realizes it’s moribon?
The GOP died when Progressive thought subsumed politics and religion. That would have been about 1900.
Individual solutions are now the rare answer to anything. Everyone wants a government program or a law named after them.
And conservatives are as complicit as liberals. They just focus on different problems. But the answer is always the same: “The Government should…” or “we need a law…”
If you are looking for a Government solution to your pet social problem you are a Progressive. I believe that covers about 90% of the country or more.
ANNOUNCE THAT GOP IS STAYING HOME FROM INAUGURATION
I’m a little late to the party, but I hope y’all read this. In Drudge, earlier on Sunday, there was an article about bho giving Boehner a hard time It seemed to me like bho was running him in circles just to torment him for bho’s own sadistic, personal amusement. The article also said that bho said he intends to use the inauguration and the State of the Union Address to lambast the GOP. I guess bho’s run out of “blame Bush” and is looking for a new dog to whip.
If I were running the GOP…
First of all, call a press conference prior to the events and announce that conservative GOP Congresspersons will not be attending the inauguration or the SotU Address, and ask all conservatives in the country to join in a reverse blackout and not watch these events when they are broadcast. Surely the libertarians can get on board with this one. This will also reveal the sheep from the goats as to who from the GOP does show up. The mention of GOP turncoats should be in the talking points prior to the events. Tell the media/public why the conservatives are doing this. Why sit there and watch members of Congress be disrespected and humiliated by bho like he did to SCOTUS? So we’re all staying home and playing cards. Their sponsors won’t like that. If you want a list of talking points, I can provide that, too.
Second, I would be sure to put conservative speakers in/on all the media with this message that targets bho, especially before and the week of these two events. Hannity, Rush, bloggers, talking heads, et al can help carry the message. We need to stay on the same message and not be rabbit trailed into responding to the trash talk.
Third, the week before the inauguration, since we can’t get a fair and honest election, launch multiple White House petitions asking for a “citizen’s vote” of NO CONFIDENCE in bho. Prep the conservatives to respond with millions of signers. That will really do a number on bho’s oh, so fragile ego. We can do this repeatedly. BTW, build up Biden as if he would be the better president of the two.
Did it ever occur to y’all that perhaps the reason we don’t have a strong leader, who has risen up to meet this Constitutional Crisis, is because the people need to stand on their own two feet and do this for themselves. It’s “WE THE PEOPLE” remember? No more “let Mikey do it.” Let’s stop looking for a savior (other than Jesus Christ) and do this ourselves. We can be the tide that washes away bho’s sandcastle right from under his feet. Let’s be smart rather than emotional or defeatist. I know the economy matters, but the most important issue is preserving the Constitution and restoring our freedom. We can use the Court of Public Opinion to pillory the oath breaker since that seems to be the only means at hand. If enough people speak the truth with one voice, we are mighty indeed.
p.s. I went back to Drudge, but the headline is gone, nor is it in the body of today’s older headlines. Hmmm? I did find the link on WND http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/obama-you-get-nothing-i-get-that-for-free/?cat_orig=politics. You might want to read it there before it disappears entirely.
I saw a few more articles about Boehner’s impending dismissal on Yahoo, and they were floating the name of Paul Ryan as a replacement. Would Paul Ryan really be an upgrade over Boehner? I don’t really know much about him other than the hype he generated being the VP pick. I know that at least he had put forth a plan for deficit reduction and had ideas for a budget….am I correct? Are there any indications or history that he will mistreat the paleo/liberty wing of the party?
If RI is to be believed then the fight for the party has begun
Only got a minute to post today, so here it is:
Stop whining about the “paleo/liberty” [sic] wing being “mistreated.” You stabbed us in the back, not the other way around. Now man up and take your punishment.
We stabbed you in the back? How is that possible when you didn’t want us in the first place?
I did just as you asked. You didn’t want me in the Party so I voted for some one else. And I will no longer be promoting the Republican Party. Not even the libertarian wing. I will help you get that wing out of the Party and voting for some one else.
I don’t see why you are so annoyed. You got what you wanted.
I have even gotten some of my libertarian friends to consider voting for a Democrat (provided the Democrat champions an end to Prohibition). So all in all I’d consider your “We don’t want you” efforts a rousing success.
Merry Christmas.
You are awfully saucy, E.A.B.
What do you mean, exactly, by “punishment?”
Oh we can guess, but I really would like you to spell it out if you would.
It is high time the Republican party stops behaving like frightened gazelles. Fight fire with a hurricane by responding to the derogatory comments made by the Democrats immediately. When the Republicans fail to address the statements in a timely manner, the statement stands, and becomes truth to the low information voters.
Here is some very important information that should be shared far and wide across the net and printed out for friends and family to read. There are two DHS Insider interviews that describe the plans for gun control, collapse of the dollar, suppression of free speech to include people who blog and post on the net, along with the installation of the police state which has already begun in earnest with the militarizing of police departments all over the United States, funded by the government. Additionally, there is a plan for civil war which will be dealt with by using foreign forces.
The government wants the people to use the please help us card in order to get us all to fall in line with their agenda.
Ulsterman, your name is mentioned at the beginning of Part 1 of the interview.
DHS Insider part 1
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=238
The militarization of the police was done at the behest of the right. To fight drugs.
Brilliant move.
@ Essa
Thank you for the Link
DHS Insider Interview with Doug Hagmann (Part 1 & Part II)
Frightening!!!!!!….. My “God” intervene & Save our wonderful Country from this destruction by our “Corrupt Government” & their handlers!!
I pray for Doug Hagmann’s Safety!!
I have gotten some confirmation that Hagman may be on the right track.
Here is the other part of the interview. The system does not allow for the posting of two links in one post.
DHS Insider part 2
http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=239
You’re unbelieveable E.A.B.
You champion establishment Republicans…the same ones who voted for unconstitutional laws like NDAA, Patriot Act, continuing of Federal Reserve which concentrates our nation’s monetary policy in the hands of both domestic and foreign owned banking interests, unlawful search and seizure, warrantless wiretapping, unfolding usage of spy drones to monitor our fellow citizens behavior, and the anti privacy TSA who molest and grope or X Ray citizens at airports and now will be setting up checkpoints on interstates and train stations.
Neocon George W Bush is responsible for No Child Left Behind education act and Medicare prescription drug benefits which is an EXPANSION of the welfare state. Establishment Republicans are now stating publicly that we need to take a look at banning assault weapons, allow amnesty for illegals, raise taxes for millionaires…millionaires who will take their money and businesses elsewhere if taxes become to burdensome and will kill job creation in the process. These same Republicans continually vote for expanding military empire which costs trillions and trillion of dollars and is strangling us combined with all of the welfare they voted for WITH Democrats.
Add to this the elitist mentality on full display at Republican convention when Boehner read from a teleprompter that the “yeas have it’ on the vote to change the nominating process when the voice vote was not conclusive and should’ve gone to a ballot vote for delegates. Delegates from Virginia who were voting FOR ROMNEY were held hostage on a bus due to the fact that they announced their intentions to vote against proposed rule changes, and the entire Maine delegation was not seated because they weren’t voting for the right guy.
And this is conservatism to you? The above mentioned acts you consider to be healthy conservatism? How about what M.Simon mentioned that our police forces all across the country are becoming para military units thanks to federal ‘anti terrorism” funds, and that military members returning from overseas duty could be categorized as being potential terrorists because they were Ron Paul supporters and support gun rights?
The onus is on you now to spell out the difference between these “conservative Republicans” you champion and any run of the mill liberal Democrat.
You have then accused paleo / liberty people of being “socialists’ because they don’t toe the party line???? Socialists??? So if I don’t vote for one of your beloved neocon establishment Repubs I am now a socialist? Piss off mate.
You make no sense whatsoever.
Beautiful,
Thank you.
Very good answer. Thank you.
Thank you for that well stated response to E.A.B.’s vacuous scribblings.
I’ve checked a couple times in the last few days to see what his response would be (I needed a chuckle) and it suddenly hit me to have an agency colleague look into him. Why I didn’t think of this a year ago, when I first began to get suspicious, I don’t know.
Regardless, it never made sense to me that there weren’t more paid trolls here given the growing notoriety of UM’s blog over the past 18 months. After my colleague called me back a few hours after making my request, I had the answer I should have realized on my own long ago.
Amen!
I remember spending more time fighting GWB than agreeing with him. Good times!
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/122412-638250-obama-claims-on-the-husting-prove-to-be-false.htm?p=full
With Election Over, Americans Find They Were Duped By Democrats And Obama and the Press
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Politics 2012: It hasn’t been two months since Barack Obama won re-election, but already we’re finding out things that were kept from us during the campaign. Expect to hear more in the coming months.
lElections are clarifying events, we’re told. But sometimes what they clarify is merely the gap between what we were told during the campaign and the reality on the ground. Often, the two don’t match. That’s certainly true with Obama.
How often in recent weeks have we learned that what we heard on the campaign trail from the Obama camp, and which were echoed by a cowed and subservient press, were either distortions or outright lies — enough to keep a majority of us fooled, and help win a second term for the incumbent?
Now, we’re finding the reality to be something different. And to jog your recollection, here are just a few:
• Economy: “The economy’s getting stronger … confidence is growing.” The media and Obama repeated these like a mantra. But as IBD reported earlier, real weekly earnings for American workers have fallen 3.5% since Obama took over, a declining trend that has continued post-election.
How about other signs of well-being? The Census Bureau reported after the election that the number of Americans in poverty grew by 712,000 people in 2011. A far-more bullish report issued in September said it had fallen by 96,000. Oh yes, and a record 47 million people today are on food stamps — up 47% since Obama took over.
Meanwhile, we also heard that consumer confidence was strengthening — and that would lead to a spurt of new economic activity in the new year. But in December, the Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan consumer sentiment index tumbled to 72.9, its lowest reading since June, from 82.7 in November.
Our own IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index fell 7.6% in December to 45.1, a pessimistic reading and the lowest since December 2011.
For small businesses, whom Obama regularly claimed to be helping while on the stump, the picture’s no better. The National Federation of Independent Business’ Small Business Optimism Index fell 5.6 points in December to 87.5 — one of its lowest readings ever.
“Between the looming ‘fiscal cliff,’ the promise of higher health care costs and the endless onslaught of new regulations, owners have found themselves in a state of pessimism,” said NFIB Chief Economist Bill Dunkelberg. Remember: Small businesses create 80% to 85% of all jobs.
• Employment: Yes, unemployment has dropped to 7.7%. But only because hundreds of thousands of Americans have left the workforce. In September and October, nonpayroll farm jobs were reported as rising 148,000 and 171,000, respectively, solid gains. The mainstream media played it up as a major turnaround for the economy, giving Obama a boost.
In early December, a new government jobs report highlighted that job growth was a 146,000 in November, less than the 151,000 average since the start of the year. And it revised September and October job growth down by 49,000.
Yes, the total number of people with private-sector jobs has grown by 2 million over the last year, as the White House proudly trumpets — and did on the campaign trail. But what never gets reported is that 2.4 million people have left the workforce entirely over the same stretch — so there is no net real job growth.
• Regulations: President Obama stayed virtually mum on the topic of regulation during his campaign. Smart move. The EPA is set to release a tidal wave of new rules to slash CO2 that will close as many as 332 energy plants, while costing the U.S. economy $700 billion, according to the Manhattan Institute. The rules will hit Pennsylvania, Ohio and Virginia — states that voted for Obama — especially hard. Think they might have liked to know that before voting?
• Budget: Obama promised a “balanced” approach to taxes and spending. But data from the CBO and OMB show spending will surge 55% over the next 10 years under Obama — nearly $2 trillion in added spending — swamping Obama’s promised “cuts” of $880 billion.
• Taxes: Remember how Obama and his Democratic surrogates taunted Republicans repeatedly, saying they wanted to raise taxes only on “millionaires and billionaires” while cutting taxes for the middle class?
When Republicans tried to do just that, Obama said no thanks. In fact, he has major tax hikes in store for middle-class Americans — starting with ObamaCare’s 18 or so new taxes, and ending with the admission of key Democrats such as former presidential candidate Howard Dean that taxes on everyone must rise dramatically to pay for the Democrats’ spending orgy.
• Benghazi: The White House described the early- September attack on our consulate in Benghazi, Libya, which killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, as a reaction to an anti-Muslim film clip that appeared on the Internet.
In recent weeks, we’ve found that the film played no role at all — and that Obama and his national security staff did nothing to save the lives of those under attack, even though they knew the attack was ongoing.
• War On Terror: Obama claimed the war against al-Qaida was basically over. Now we find out that isn’t true. Governments friendly to al-Qaida, if not its aims, have taken over in Libya and Egypt. Syria may be next.
For those who think the fight’s done, think again. Quietly, Obama is sending troops back to Iraq to help stabilize the country. And he plans to send Army teams to as many as 35 countries in Africa to battle growing terrorist threats — mainly from al-Qaida.
So were Americans duped? Sure. They were told to believe one thing only to discover right after the election reality was something else.
But with another four years of hope and change, you can be sure of one thing: Americans have many more “surprises” in store.
DW….I don’t know how else to contact you….PLEASE, read the below link from Doug Hagman…..you and your Insiders are mentioned…..near the beginning of the interview…….
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52005
Already posted up thread:
December 24, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Any Republican wishing to be re-elected, should at this point,STAND STRONG AGAINST ANY ATTEMPT TO KEEP BOEHNER. “WE THE PEOPLE”,are silently watching all of Congress.
This thread is a little stale, but for anyone still reading….ponder this…..
Our Great and Glorious Leader has issued yet another Executive Order giving pay raises to the hardworking VP and Congress critters.
After 3/27/2013, Senators, Members of the House of Representatives and Delegates to the House of Representatives will be paid $174,900 per year.
Speaker of the House will be paid $224,600 per year.
If Boehner loses his speakership it will cost him a cool $49,700 per year. Does anyone think he’s going to fight like a tiger to keep that money?
All the buzz on newspeak tv is now saying that Republicans are in a “box” and that Obama “wins” the debate on fiscal cliff.
Boehner needs only 40-50 votes to get a compromise passed in the house where it will then join McConnell’s treachery from the senate.
There are still plenty of tools left to avoid further encroachment of erosion of liberty…namely the budget purse strings which Republicans control. My biggest fear is that the same fear mongering waged against the conservatives (notice I say conservatives as opposed to Republicans) over the fiscal cliff will then be renewed in budget / debt ceiling negotiations and they cave again with no concessions on spending or additional freedom robbing legislation. I se the NDAA is nowhere close to being killed. Ditto for Patriot Act.
Some have mentioned on this blog (myself included) that there comes a point in time when conservatives have to say “damn the torpedoes” and stand strong. That time has arrived and will be of the utmost importance in the next few weeks when debt ceiling negotiations begin. There will also be a huge putsch in gun grabbing legislation forthcoming in January and again they have to stand strong and protect our constitutional rights.
As everyone knows there is a coordinated effort from the Marxists / Straussian / Socialist media that will forever condemn conservatives and paleo/liberty types and we will never be in favor with them, nor our policies. Chris Christie ( I’m aware that not everyone here likes him but his style of refusing to buckle to media naysayers pre Hurricane Sandy, was a fantastic example of the style of leadership necessary to counter media bias) was able to win with a conservative message in a heavily Democrat blue state by standing his ground and not deviating from his message. I hope whatever uprising RI is a part of, uses this as an example for success in combating our enemies.
Liberty? There is a very wide swath of Republicans that want nothing to do with it.
They love SWAT teams. They don’t mind the loss of the Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments to fight druggies. They don’t even care that there is no Drug Prohibition Amendment. As long as the dopers can be punished.
As my co blogger said at “Classical Values” -
“At the rate we are going, the United States Constitution will become like the famous Soviet Constitution under Stalin, which guaranteed all sort of rights, but which meant absolutely nothing because it wasn’t observed in any way, shape or form.”
Obama didn’t set the precedent. He is just following it. On steroids.
I know…I know. Sadly you’re spot on M.Simon regarding that very wide swath of Republicans supporting the police state apparatus they have created in concert with Democrats. I’m trying to be positive in pointing out there are liberty minded conservatives and a few Republicans who will hold the line in defending the Constitution. While we don’t have the luxury of looking through rose colored glasses and stating that things are looking up for us, we’d be remiss if we didn’t acknowledge and encourage each other and those precious few politicians that stand for our beliefs.
I agree with the above writer. Let me add a couple of comments based on my life experience… I am not a fan of Boehner’s, BUT,he is the Speaker of the House and the only Republican in the lineup for prez. According to Lame Cherry, Boehner is the titular head of the country because he is the only legitimate position holder. Bho, hreid n Clinton are all frauds. You can call it splitting hairs, but the truth is the truth.When I see all this piling on of Boehner in the media, etc., my life experience tells me that this is a deliberate, concerted effort to undermine his authority to render him ineffective. Whether he will be replaced or not, until such a time,we conservatives should stand with him,encourage n pray for him to do the right thing. Also, that he comes to understand his true authority and walk in it, rather than the hat in hand manner he has adopted so far. ‘Buff said